Something I do not understand about the Chaparral

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Something I do not understand about the Chaparral

Postby Doc Dan » Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:13 am

Something I do not understand is that some people seem to think the Chaparral is uncomfortable to unlock. Apparently they think it is so narrow that it hurts their little fingers. I do not get it. My first Chaparral did have overly sharp edges that were taken care of in a second or two. The newest one had no issues at all. Neither of them have ever been painful to unlock, not by any stretch of the imagination. Is this some troll fad that everyone jumped on so they could sound up to date with the latest views? I could see maybe a new born child having a problem, but not an adult, surely.

The Chaparral, for me, is as near perfect of a design for a pocket knife we are ever likely to see. It is the right size all around, it has a safe lock, it has a bias to close (important for a pocket knife!), it is light in weight, and it plain looks good.
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Re: Something I do not understand about the Chaparral

Postby Sjucaveman » Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:30 am

I like my raffir noble chap but my frn model the clip grooves were too shallow and the clip broke the frn so it no longer stays in place. I've also found xhp to not be rust resistant enough for my sweaty pockets.
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Re: Something I do not understand about the Chaparral

Postby cptdean » Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:35 am

I'll jump in since I made a similar complaint in a recent post. No, I don't think the lock is painful. Yes, I do think it's uncomfortable...WHEN (and only when) I sit and fidget it with it a bit. It's probably not the norm for most people, and I probably have something wrong with me for playing with my knives, but I just really enjoy that satisfying snap when the blade locks in place. It makes me want to do it over and over.

That said, I doubt I'd whinge as much if I had no basis for comparison. Both my DF2 and Native 5 LW are very fun to open and close.

And I agree that the Chap is a wonderful knife in the ergonomics department, on top of being an excellent slicer!
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Re: Something I do not understand about the Chaparral

Postby Sharp Guy » Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:36 am

Well Dan...all I can say is we're all different and not all knives are the same.

My first Chap was a CF and the lock spring seemed extremely stiff compared to my other back locks. Combined with a thin lock bar made it a little unpleasant to use. It certainly wasn't painful to unlock but it wasn't easy either. My Chap LW was the same way. I've since found a way to correct and they're both much better now.
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Re: Something I do not understand about the Chaparral

Postby cptdean » Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:40 am

Sjucaveman wrote:
Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:30 am
the clip grooves were too shallow

I find that to be true. The other day my clip was loose and not gripping my pocket very well. When I tried to tighten it, I noticed the screw was already as tight as I could get it, but the wire had scooted out of the channel a bit. I loosened the screw, re-seated the clip, tightened the screw (hard), and wiggled the clip back and forth about a dozen times to simulate moving around on my pocket. Sure enough, it worked itself out of the groove and was loose again, so I removed the clip and put it back in the box. The knife feels better without it, anyway.
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Re: Something I do not understand about the Chaparral

Postby cptdean » Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:41 am

Sharp Guy wrote:
Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:36 am
Well Dan...all I can say is we're all different and not all knives are the same.

I've since found a way to correct and they're both much better now.

Care to share? Did you bend the spring?
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Re: Something I do not understand about the Chaparral

Postby Nate » Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:42 am

I got chastised a bit a while back for making similar comments about the Baby Horn. I guess some people just have more sensitive fingers, but I never saw it as an issue.

The locks on both the Chaparral and Horn aren't as soft as something like the Native, with it's thicker stock, but both broke in noticeably after a month or two of carry (which can be greatly accelerated by working the lock bar against a bic pen or something). I didn't make any other adjustments to mine.
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Re: Something I do not understand about the Chaparral

Postby Sjucaveman » Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:42 am

cptdean wrote:
Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:40 am
Sjucaveman wrote:
Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:30 am
the clip grooves were too shallow

I find that to be true. The other day my clip was loose and not gripping my pocket very well. When I tried to tighten it, I noticed the screw was already as tight as I could get it, but the wire had scooted out of the channel a bit. I loosened the screw, re-seated the clip, tightened the screw (hard), and wiggled the clip back and forth about a dozen times to simulate moving around on my pocket. Sure enough, it worked itself out of the groove and was loose again, so I removed the clip and put it back in the box. The knife feels better without it, anyway.
I did the same and let it float in the pocket now.
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Re: Something I do not understand about the Chaparral

Postby Jazz » Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:42 am

My carbon fibre one was uncomfortable, and don't call me a child, bro. I have big *** thumbs. The fact that it's narrow, and it was sharp wasn't pleasant at all. My FRN one is better by far.
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Re: Something I do not understand about the Chaparral

Postby cptdean » Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:42 am

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Re: Something I do not understand about the Chaparral

Postby cptdean » Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:43 am

Sharp Guy wrote:
Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:36 am
I've since found a way to correct and they're both much better now.

Care to share? Did you bend the spring?
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Re: Something I do not understand about the Chaparral

Postby cptdean » Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:44 am

And another. Sorry.
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Re: Something I do not understand about the Chaparral

Postby Spydergirl88 » Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:52 am

Narrow, sharp, and stiff=not for me. I've owned a lot of spyderco knives and the chap is one I've tried multiple times and still can't love it. Oh well good thing there are 100s of other spyderco options. Thanks Spyderco

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Re: Something I do not understand about the Chaparral

Postby Jazz » Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:55 am

I took mine apart and rounded the lockbar a tad. Fixed it right up.
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Re: Something I do not understand about the Chaparral

Postby cptdean » Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:22 am

I guess I'm extra wimpy, since the one I bought direct from Spyderco a couple of weeks ago came with a slight chamfer. They at least get kudos for CQI!

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Re: Something I do not understand about the Chaparral

Postby toocool006 » Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:24 am

I've often thought that adding a boye dent would be helpful to ease some of the aggression of the narrow lockbar. Any thoughts why that road wasn't taken?
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Re: Something I do not understand about the Chaparral

Postby abbazaba » Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:33 am

I've had more than a few and the first couple I fell in love with were very easy to disengage. My RF broke in nicely, my CF was always perfect, and the FRN was the easiest of them all. I sold the Ti, but it certainly wasn't painful.

However, I recently bought one for my father and it was painful to unlock, completely different lock tension than the others I've had.

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Re: Something I do not understand about the Chaparral

Postby Sharp Guy » Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:37 am

cptdean wrote:
Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:43 am
Sharp Guy wrote:
Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:36 am
I've since found a way to correct and they're both much better now.

Care to share? Did you bend the spring?
No bending. I just slid the spring forward a tiny bit (maybe 1/16"?). That made a noticeable difference.
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Re: Something I do not understand about the Chaparral

Postby MichaelScott » Tue Aug 07, 2018 12:33 pm

I remember the complaints when the FRN model was released. Mine was perhaps a bit more stiff than, say the Dragonfly, but not much if at all. I tended to depress the bar with the tip end of my thumb or thumbnail which gave no discomfort. I suspect the discomfort is a product of individual thumb properties, technique and internet-set expectations.
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Re: Something I do not understand about the Chaparral

Postby cptdean » Tue Aug 07, 2018 1:16 pm

I'm in no way advocating this for anyone else, but based on what Sharp Guy posted I took mine apart and slid the spring forward a bit. I like it.

Pic 1 shows the spring fully nested in its pocket:

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Pic 2 shows it moved forward, with the curve of the bar pressed against the curve in the lock bar:

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Pic 3 shows the clearance between the blade and the spring when closed:

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If you depress the lock with the blade closed (why would you do that?), the spring DOES contact the blade. *BUT* if you depress the the lock with the blade closed (again, why would you do that?) with the spring fully seated, it ALSO contacts the blade, just a little further toward the tip. To me this is a great, non-destructive mod that eases operation without impacting the quality of the knife. I'm keeping it this way.
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