Although it really doesn't make any difference, I'm glad it wasn't a Spyderco.
And just in case anyone isn't clear, the media are a bunch of dimwitted obfuscators of the truth. They tell use that the police took the man into custody and citizens helped apprehend the suspect.
If those fools were not trying to feed us their ulterior agenda, they would have told us that a regular citizen with a legally owned gun stopped the rampaging maniac until the police arrived to take him into custody. If the guy didn't have a gun to stop the mayhem, there's no telling how many more innocents would have been mutilated or killed. Lives have been forever changed, and it wasn't the police, the politicians, or the media who put a stop to it.
Re: The Michigan Walmart Attack Knife
Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2025 1:31 am
by shunsui
The New York Times remarkably mentions the man with a pistol, probably because the reporter writing the story works out of Miami.
The sheriff noted that “multiple citizens, including one who was armed with a pistol,” confronted Mr. Gille in the parking lot, “preventing him from harming further people and leaving.”
Sheriff Shea was unwilling to name the citizens or reveal additional information about them but he said, “What they did was amazing.”
Re: The Michigan Walmart Attack Knife
Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2025 8:18 am
by Naperville
Amazing story. There are good people out there and I am happy that one with a firearm stepped up.
Although it really doesn't make any difference, I'm glad it wasn't a Spyderco.
And just in case anyone isn't clear, the media are a bunch of dimwitted obfuscators of the truth. They tell use that the police took the man into custody and citizens helped apprehend the suspect.
If those fools were not trying to feed us their ulterior agenda, they would have told us that a regular citizen with a legally owned gun stopped the rampaging maniac until the police arrived to take him into custody. If the guy didn't have a gun to stop the mayhem, there's no telling how many more innocents would have been mutilated or killed. Lives have been forever changed, and it wasn't the police, the politicians, or the media who put a stop to it.
100%.
Jim
Re: The Michigan Walmart Attack Knife
Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2025 12:21 pm
by Evil D
I was just getting groceries with my wife Sunday morning and told her about this story. Some may think it's excessive to carry a gun to get groceries but I bet I know 11 people that wished they did.
And I'll agree all day long that it's a shame that this is what society has become and if I had 3 wishes then one of them might be that none of us ever have a need to defend ourselves like this, but I haven't found that genie lamp yet so I carry instead. You can't legislate away violence either.
Re: The Michigan Walmart Attack Knife
Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2025 6:59 pm
by Scandi Grind
Crazy. Out where I live it isn't strange to see people carrying a gun at Walmart. I love that about living out here. Nice to know that people are prepared.
Although it really doesn't make any difference, I'm glad it wasn't a Spyderco.
And just in case anyone isn't clear, the media are a bunch of dimwitted obfuscators of the truth. They tell use that the police took the man into custody and citizens helped apprehend the suspect.
If those fools were not trying to feed us their ulterior agenda, they would have told us that a regular citizen with a legally owned gun stopped the rampaging maniac until the police arrived to take him into custody. If the guy didn't have a gun to stop the mayhem, there's no telling how many more innocents would have been mutilated or killed. Lives have been forever changed, and it wasn't the police, the politicians, or the media who put a stop to it.
^ Amen to all of the above. When I heard how specifically the media specified a 3.5" knife, I seized up a little. Was relieved to see it was some sort of a buck copy. Probably a filling station knife. A sharpened screwdriver or putty knife would have probably done the same amount of damage. And YES thanks be to the heavens above that a good guy was armed with a gun. I am grateful to every good-guy-non-felon who carries one.
Re: The Michigan Walmart Attack Knife
Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2025 2:31 pm
by SpyderEdgeForever
Millions and millions of great knife owners and users like you on this forum use Buck knives with zero danger. My compassion to the victims and families.
Although it really doesn't make any difference, I'm glad it wasn't a Spyderco.
And just in case anyone isn't clear, the media are a bunch of dimwitted obfuscators of the truth. They tell use that the police took the man into custody and citizens helped apprehend the suspect.
If those fools were not trying to feed us their ulterior agenda, they would have told us that a regular citizen with a legally owned gun stopped the rampaging maniac until the police arrived to take him into custody. If the guy didn't have a gun to stop the mayhem, there's no telling how many more innocents would have been mutilated or killed. Lives have been forever changed, and it wasn't the police, the politicians, or the media who put a stop to it.
Ah.... So much for ulterior agendas.... It was more than just one guy who went after, stopped the attacker....
"Another bystander, who Kolakowski later learned is also a Marine, drew a gun on the attacker."
So lets see all here sofar are ignoring the fact that citizens came together to stop the attack, 2 Marines in the mix of them too. Semper Fi Marines....
Ignore all the above and focus only on the guy with a gun huh?
Ulterior agendas, dimwitted? Really?
The guy with the shopping cart did more damage to the attacker than anyone, actually knocked the attacker down etc.
Anyhow, the article I posted explained what really happened in detail and how it actually went down.
Although it really doesn't make any difference, I'm glad it wasn't a Spyderco.
And just in case anyone isn't clear, the media are a bunch of dimwitted obfuscators of the truth. They tell use that the police took the man into custody and citizens helped apprehend the suspect.
If those fools were not trying to feed us their ulterior agenda, they would have told us that a regular citizen with a legally owned gun stopped the rampaging maniac until the police arrived to take him into custody. If the guy didn't have a gun to stop the mayhem, there's no telling how many more innocents would have been mutilated or killed. Lives have been forever changed, and it wasn't the police, the politicians, or the media who put a stop to it.
Ah.... So much for ulterior agendas.... It was more than just one guy who went after, stopped the attacker....
"Another bystander, who Kolakowski later learned is also a Marine, drew a gun on the attacker."
So lets see all here sofar are ignoring the fact that citizens came together to stop the attack, 2 Marines in the mix of them too. Semper Fi Marines....
Ignore all the above and focus only on the guy with a gun huh?
Ulterior agendas, dimwitted? Really?
The guy with the shopping cart did more damage to the attacker than anyone, actually knocked the attacker down etc.
Anyhow, the article I posted explained what really happened in detail and how it actually went down.
Yeah, I notice that the article says that the man has several involuntary commitments on his record, as well as substance abuse issues. For those that don't know, that means he wouldn't be able to pass a federal background check to purchase a firearm.
So whether or not it's the gun laws that prevented him from having a gun that day or not, I bet as much as someone suggested the 11 victims wished they'd had a gun, they feel lucky their assailant didn't.
You can say whatever you want about gun laws not preventing violence, that he could have got a gun in some other way, etc. But you'd be a fool to not realize how much worse this would have been had he carried out an attack with a gun. How many would have died before a "good guy with a gun" stopped him if he had been shooting instead of stabbing?
It would have been even worse if he'd had a bomb. Except somehow, with as ubiquitous as ammonium nitrate is as fertilizer, nobody has put a ton of it in a rental truck and killed hundreds of people with it since 1995. It wasn't that the world became a better place that stopped a repeat of that, and if someone with a concealed carry gun can't stop a rampage shooter before they shoot at least once, they're not going to stop someone from detonating a bomb either. The only way that gets stopped is laws to regulate the access to large amounts of chemicals that can be used in bomb making, and of course the people necessary to enforce said laws--but one won't work without the other.
So yeah... Rampage violence is going to keep happening and the sick individuals that are going to carry it out will use whatever weapon is available to them to carry it out. Except regulations do make it far less likely the perpetrators will have the most deadly of means to carry these attacks out with available to them, and the suggestion that an armed populace could be a panacea against these attacks is just another political agenda of its own that ignores as much reality as the political agenda its proponents lash out against.
Re: The Michigan Walmart Attack Knife
Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2025 3:49 pm
by Mk-211
Criminals and crazy people don't give a rats azz about laws or regulations.
Our rights don't end, where people's feelings begin. I don't want my rights regulated away, because people are afraid.
Criminals and crazy people don't give a rats azz about laws or regulations.
Our rights don't end, where people's feelings begin. I don't want my rights regulated away, because people are afraid.
Watch some of Colion Noirs videos.
Those arguments are invalid after the ones who support those arguments supported all those tax cuts and GOV Program cutbacks that put those crazy people on the street in the 1st place.
So no, find a new valid argument.
Complaining about a problem they caused in the 1st place.
Want to make a difference?
Support the mental heath programs that were cut thanks to all the tax cuts and GOV cutbacks.
It's like removing all the stop signs and traffic lights then complaining about all the accidents.
Look in the mirror and you will see the cause of the problem.
Mental illness is a serious problem and it is real.
Re: The Michigan Walmart Attack Knife
Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2025 6:08 pm
by Scandi Grind
I don't have issue with having laws against felons owning arms. I do have issue with laws saying that law abiding citizens are only allowed to have ten shots in a mag to defend themself and a litany of similar restrictions that criminals aren't inclined notice. I don't care what political leaning anybody wants to throw me among because I say that, but this isn't about politics for me, it is just the opinion I have. I'm OK with other people having other opinions. I don't need to justify my opinion to anyone, and nobody cares whether I have justification anyway, logical or not because it isn't their opinion. That's kinda how it works, we have different opinions because we think different things are right, so somebody else thinking otherwise doesn't really make a difference to anybody here.
We all have different experiences, different pardigms, and different beliefs that form our conclusions. I like hearing other peoples opinions, and I like sharing my perspective, but I am not here to convince anyone.
I don't have issue with having laws against felons owning arms. I do have issue with laws saying that law abiding citizens are only allowed to have ten shots in a mag to defend themself and a litany of similar restrictions that criminals aren't inclined notice. I don't care what political leaning anybody wants to throw me among because I say that, but this isn't about politics for me, it is just the opinion I have. I'm OK with other people having other opinions. I don't need to justify my opinion to anyone, and nobody cares whether I have justification anyway, logical or not because it isn't their opinion. That's kinda how it works, we have different opinions because we think different things are right, so somebody else thinking otherwise doesn't really make a difference to anybody here.
We all have different experiences, different pardigms, and different beliefs that form our conclusions. I like hearing other peoples opinions, and I like sharing my perspective, but I am not here to convince anyone.
In the end it all doesn't matter because the only rights we all have are the ones the Government allows us to have for now.
As History has shown that can change at any time.
Re: The Michigan Walmart Attack Knife
Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2025 2:57 am
by Midnightrider
No, rights existed before the goverment, and the only legitimate form of goverment is that which recognizes that fundamental truth, and is created to preserve those rights. This is what the Constitution says. This is what all the Signers said. See the Federalist Papers, etc.
No, rights existed before the goverment, and the only legitimate form of goverment is that which recognizes that fundamental truth, and is created to preserve those rights. This is what the Constitution says. This is what all the Signers said. See the Federalist Papers, etc.
Wrong..
The Gov gave those rights in the 1st place.
That can change.
Re: The Michigan Walmart Attack Knife
Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2025 8:30 am
by Doc Dan
No, the Government did not give those rights. As Americans we recognize those as unalienable rights. The Government is supposed to protect those rights and has no Constitutional authority to take them away. Those who try to do so are actually anti American and are attacking our nation from within.
No, the Government did not give those rights. As Americans we recognize those as unalienable rights. The Government is supposed to protect those rights and has no Constitutional authority to take them away. Those who try to do so are actually anti American and are attacking our nation from within.
The Gov gave it's citizens the rights in the 1st place, that's how it works.
You are assuming the current Gov would still be intact.
