Re: SE performance is more than simply teeth vs no teeth.
Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2024 4:47 am
would it still be a Caribbean then?
Good question, how about Caribbean 2 lw
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Re: SE performance is more than simply teeth vs no teeth.
Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2024 5:41 am
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Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2024 7:01 am
Re: SE performance is more than simply teeth vs no teeth.
Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2024 5:54 pm
A back lock Caribbean would be harder to wash fish guts out of than the current open design.
Re: SE performance is more than simply teeth vs no teeth.
Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2024 10:44 pm
True, and one of the comp.lock advantages indeed!
When it comes to ergos though the closed back construction of a backlock version would be more comfortable imo, and the "no cutout on top of the handle" anyway.
Another comp.lock pro actually is that this locktype allows for a tall / wide blade in relation to the height of the handle.
Don´t know and can´t tell (never had a Caribbean) if the exact same blade would fit into the exact same handle with a backlock instead of a comp.lock...?
That said: Generally a Caribbean with a lock that is totally ambidextrous, imo better usable with gloves or cold, wet hands, safer in pocket or iwb (concerning accidently get and stay open), more secure in operation, and as said imo better handle ergos (= backlock...) would make the knife even better. Just my 2c of course.
FRN instead of G10 would be the icing on the cake...
Re: SE performance is more than simply teeth vs no teeth.
Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2024 7:52 am
I’m with you on the FRN. They won’t do it unless they forecast that they’ll sell enough units to amortize the injection molds.
Re: SE performance is more than simply teeth vs no teeth.
Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2024 5:20 pm
Hello Spyderco Serrated Edge fans. I have been a fan of Spyderco Knives in General for a few years now. My first good knife was a plain edge Delica 4 Lightweight. Since then I have had dozens of Spyderco knives and have loved every one of them. The thing is they have all been plain edge. I have not yet got around to trying a serrated edge Spyderco, but im looking to change that today. The serrated bug has bit me. I see alot of Serrated Spyderco knives lately, especially on the Spyderco forum. I want to know what you guys recomend. What serrated Spyderco knife do you recomend to the average user. not necessarily a self defense style knife, but capability is welcome. Im more looking for an EDC style knife. partial or fully serrated.
thanks for your help if you decide to give me any ideas.
thanks for your help if you decide to give me any ideas.
Re: SE performance is more than simply teeth vs no teeth.
Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2024 5:27 pm
mcsquirgle wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2024 5:20 pmHello Spyderco Serrated Edge fans. I have been a fan of Spyderco Knives in General for a few years now. My first good knife was a plain edge Delica 4 Lightweight. Since then I have had dozens of Spyderco knives and have loved every one of them. The thing is they have all been plain edge. I have not yet got around to trying a serrated edge Spyderco, but im looking to change that today. The serrated bug has bit me. I see alot of Serrated Spyderco knives lately, especially on the Spyderco forum. I want to know what you guys recomend. What serrated Spyderco knife do you recomend to the average user. not necessarily a self defense style knife, but capability is welcome. Im more looking for an EDC style knife. partial or fully serrated.
thanks for your help if you decide to give me any ideas.
What models do you know that you like? I know it's fun to get something totally new but sometimes for comparison sake it's good to buy a variant of what you already know and love. I think the Native 5 Salt in SE MagnaCut is an excellent place to start.
Re: SE performance is more than simply teeth vs no teeth.
Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2024 5:39 pm
The models that I like most are the Delica, Endura, Stretch 2 XL and the Native 5 so the serrated models I have been looking at most are the Salt 2, Stretch 2 XL salt, Atlantic Salt, and the LC200n version of the Native 5. Id also be really interested in a serrated Native Chief if that's around, but that is a model I have not yet experienced in a plain edge version quite yet. I had not yet considered the Magnacut version of the Native 5 yet, but now I think I will.Evil D wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2024 5:27 pmmcsquirgle wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2024 5:20 pmHello Spyderco Serrated Edge fans. I have been a fan of Spyderco Knives in General for a few years now. My first good knife was a plain edge Delica 4 Lightweight. Since then I have had dozens of Spyderco knives and have loved every one of them. The thing is they have all been plain edge. I have not yet got around to trying a serrated edge Spyderco, but im looking to change that today. The serrated bug has bit me. I see alot of Serrated Spyderco knives lately, especially on the Spyderco forum. I want to know what you guys recomend. What serrated Spyderco knife do you recomend to the average user. not necessarily a self defense style knife, but capability is welcome. Im more looking for an EDC style knife. partial or fully serrated.
thanks for your help if you decide to give me any ideas.
What models do you know that you like? I know it's fun to get something totally new but sometimes for comparison sake it's good to buy a variant of what you already know and love. I think the Native 5 Salt in SE MagnaCut is an excellent place to start.
Re: SE performance is more than simply teeth vs no teeth.
Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2024 5:44 pm
mcsquirgle wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2024 5:39 pmThe models that I like most are the Delica, Endura, Stretch 2 XL and the Native 5 so the serrated models I have been looking at most are the Salt 2, Stretch 2 XL salt, Atlantic Salt, and the LC200n version of the Native 5. Id also be really interested in a serrated Native Chief if that's around, but that is a model I have not yet experienced in a plain edge version quite yet. I had not yet considered the Magnacut version of the Native 5 yet, but now I think I will.Evil D wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2024 5:27 pmmcsquirgle wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2024 5:20 pmHello Spyderco Serrated Edge fans. I have been a fan of Spyderco Knives in General for a few years now. My first good knife was a plain edge Delica 4 Lightweight. Since then I have had dozens of Spyderco knives and have loved every one of them. The thing is they have all been plain edge. I have not yet got around to trying a serrated edge Spyderco, but im looking to change that today. The serrated bug has bit me. I see alot of Serrated Spyderco knives lately, especially on the Spyderco forum. I want to know what you guys recomend. What serrated Spyderco knife do you recomend to the average user. not necessarily a self defense style knife, but capability is welcome. Im more looking for an EDC style knife. partial or fully serrated.
thanks for your help if you decide to give me any ideas.
What models do you know that you like? I know it's fun to get something totally new but sometimes for comparison sake it's good to buy a variant of what you already know and love. I think the Native 5 Salt in SE MagnaCut is an excellent place to start.
I'm also watching for the SE Chief, you can get one now in CTS-BD1N but I'm holding out for the MagnaCut version to go with my Native 5. You can't go wrong with the LC200N variants either if you like the green better than yellow.
Re: SE performance is more than simply teeth vs no teeth.
Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2024 10:12 pm
My personal no 1 recommendation and the Spydie that actually made me prefer SE over PE in pretty much any folders task is the Endela SE in VG10.mcsquirgle wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2024 5:20 pmHello Spyderco Serrated Edge fans. I have been a fan of Spyderco Knives in General for a few years now. My first good knife was a plain edge Delica 4 Lightweight. Since then I have had dozens of Spyderco knives and have loved every one of them. The thing is they have all been plain edge. I have not yet got around to trying a serrated edge Spyderco, but im looking to change that today. The serrated bug has bit me. I see alot of Serrated Spyderco knives lately, especially on the Spyderco forum. I want to know what you guys recomend. What serrated Spyderco knife do you recomend to the average user. not necessarily a self defense style knife, but capability is welcome. Im more looking for an EDC style knife. partial or fully serrated.
thanks for your help if you decide to give me any ideas.
Since you like the Endura, you might also like the Endela just as a platform: A bit shorter and also a bit more handfilling handle and a shorter blade of course, but otherwise pretty much endura-ish, just a more compact carry.
What makes the Endela SE so good imo is the particular way its serrations are done: Shallow, "non aggressive", will give you the full "SE is the better PE" experience, while for example the Salt 2 SE is a bit more "snaggy" and not as amazingly great for regular EDC tasks.
Also the Endela SE is really affordable.
I would not worry about VG10 not being considered a "high end" steel by many anymore.
Serrations imo really "boost" VG10 - a serrated Spydie stays sharp longer than a plain edge anyway, will still separate matter even if technically "dull" and VG10 serrations are super easy too touch up.
Btw. I would NOT recommend getting the VG10 Endura or Delica SE for the best "serration experience".
Both only come just in sabre grind (if you choose VG10 AND SE), and don´t have the best SE "pattern" imo.
/ You´ve mentioned the Stretch XL SE
Also a perfect option for trying out SE, but I am again talking about the VG10 (and thus ffg) option.
Great kind of serrations, just the tip gets really fine on that model (even more so with SE, due to the chisel grind) - which can be both a pro and a con of course.
Now I never had the Salt version of the Stretch XL SE - but while the sabre hollow grind of the H1/H2 SE Salts make for great, "chainsaw-ish" outdoor folders (love my Pac Salt SE in that regard!) I think ffg and the less aggressive, shallower serration pattern of the VG 10 Stretch XL SE will make for a better all around first impression of Spydercos great serrations.
Re: SE performance is more than simply teeth vs no teeth.
Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2024 11:08 pm
The Endela is an awesome platform. I have a plain edge K390 Endela that I adore. For a long time I considered it the superior of the Delica and Endura, but lately I have softened on that. Now that you mention it though, that makes a whole lot of sense that it would be my first experience with spyder edge.Wartstein wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2024 10:12 pmMy personal no 1 recommendation and the Spydie that actually made me prefer SE over PE in pretty much any folders task is the Endela SE in VG10.mcsquirgle wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2024 5:20 pmHello Spyderco Serrated Edge fans. I have been a fan of Spyderco Knives in General for a few years now. My first good knife was a plain edge Delica 4 Lightweight. Since then I have had dozens of Spyderco knives and have loved every one of them. The thing is they have all been plain edge. I have not yet got around to trying a serrated edge Spyderco, but im looking to change that today. The serrated bug has bit me. I see alot of Serrated Spyderco knives lately, especially on the Spyderco forum. I want to know what you guys recomend. What serrated Spyderco knife do you recomend to the average user. not necessarily a self defense style knife, but capability is welcome. Im more looking for an EDC style knife. partial or fully serrated.
thanks for your help if you decide to give me any ideas.
Since you like the Endura, you might also like the Endela just as a platform: A bit shorter and also a bit more handfilling handle and a shorter blade of course, but otherwise pretty much endura-ish, just a more compact carry.
What makes the Endela SE so good imo is the particular way its serrations are done: Shallow, "non aggressive", will give you the full "SE is the better PE" experience, while for example the Salt 2 SE is a bit more "snaggy" and not as amazingly great for regular EDC tasks.
Also the Endela SE is really affordable.
I would not worry about VG10 not being considered a "high end" steel by many anymore.
Serrations imo really "boost" VG10 - a serrated Spydie stays sharp longer than a plain edge anyway, will still separate matter even if technically "dull" and VG10 serrations are super easy too touch up.
Btw. I would NOT recommend getting the VG10 Endura or Delica SE for the best "serration experience".
Both only come just in sabre grind (if you choose VG10 AND SE), and don´t have the best SE "pattern" imo.
/ You´ve mentioned the Stretch XL SE
Also a perfect option for trying out SE, but I am again talking about the VG10 (and thus ffg) option.
Great kind of serrations, just the tip gets really fine on that model (even more so with SE, due to the chisel grind) - which can be both a pro and a con of course.
Now I never had the Salt version of the Stretch XL SE - but while the sabre hollow grind of the H1/H2 SE Salts make for great, "chainsaw-ish" outdoor folders (love my Pac Salt SE in that regard!) I think ffg and the less aggressive, shallower serration pattern of the VG 10 Stretch XL SE will make for a better all around first impression of Spydercos great serrations.
I was not aware of the differences in the depth of the serrations before you pointed it out. I took a look just now and confirmed that it does seem to be true.
Im a steel snob for sure just like the rest of us in the community, but id never write off VG10. Especially at the price. I tend to prefer easier sharpening these days, and I love how sharp VG10 gets.
Thanks for pointing out that the VG10 delica does not come in a flat grind. I was actually close to buying https://www.knifecenter.com/item/SP11PS ... rn-handles this knife from KnifeCenter because it looked to be a flat grind in the picture, but on closer inspection it is in fact a sabre grind. I would prefer it if it were flat for now.
I do like the sound of that hollow sabre on the Stretch 2 XL salt, but now that you have pointed out the differences in the size of serrations I will have to consider that.
Thanks for all your recomendations and clarifications my friend!
Re: SE performance is more than simply teeth vs no teeth.
Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2024 11:21 pm
mcsquirgle wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2024 11:08 pmThe Endela is an awesome platform. I have a plain edge K390 Endela that I adore. For a long time I considered it the superior of the Delica and Endura, but lately I have softened on that. Now that you mention it though, that makes a whole lot of sense that it would be my first experience with spyder edge.
I was not aware of the differences in the depth of the serrations before you pointed it out. I took a look just now and confirmed that it does seem to be true.
Im a steel snob for sure just like the rest of us in the community, but id never write off VG10. Especially at the price. I tend to prefer easier sharpening these days, and I love how sharp VG10 gets.
Thanks for pointing out that the VG10 delica does not come in a flat grind. I was actually close to buying https://www.knifecenter.com/item/SP11PS ... rn-handles this knife from KnifeCenter because it looked to be a flat grind in the picture, but on closer inspection it is in fact a sabre grind. I would prefer it if it were flat for now.
I do like the sound of that hollow sabre on the Stretch 2 XL salt, but now that you have pointed out the differences in the size of serrations I will have to consider that.
Thanks for all your recomendations and clarifications my friend!
You are very welcome!
- For the subtle and not so subtle differences when it comes to serrations see the first post of this exact thread (viewtopic.php?p=1364190#p1364190) - David, who actually knows a lot more about the topic than I do, explains it perfectly and in detail there.
- As for the VG10 Endela SE: Imo it is just a "100 % can´t go wrong option" if you want to experience how well a spyderedge works for most EDC tasks.
There might be very few even slightly better SE options for that (I figure the Caribbean SE could be just that), but the Endela SE definitely is top notch when it comes to sheer SE performance.
Same is true for the VG10 Stretch XL SE btw., I can speak about both that one and the Endela SE from a lot of experience.
- Yes, it is a bit sad that the VG10 Delica and Endura SE only come in sabre grind and with rather "aggressive" serrations - certainly great for some tasks, but not as good in overall, day to day cutting imo.
- You could of course also look for the disco´ed K390 SE versions of Delica, Endela and Endura - I figure they have great serrations too.
No personal experience though, since VG10 (in SE!!) holds an edge well enough for me, I did not bother to try K390 with teeth... I figured it might put a lot of wear on the corners of my Sharpmaker rods when touching the knives up...?
Re: SE performance is more than simply teeth vs no teeth.
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2024 6:28 am
I hit a nail 2x with my stretch2 xl serrated vg10 yesterday when trying g to shave material off a 2x4. I had a look this morning and was pleased to see that there was just a couple places where it had rolled the edge. Took about 5min on the sharp maker and good to go. I'm impressed with vg10 so far.
Re: SE performance is more than simply teeth vs no teeth.
Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2024 2:40 am
It's hard to go past a Pacific Salt in H1 or H2 for your first one. In many ways it is the quintessential SE Spyderco knife. I have many SE knives and some of them, particularly the K390 versions which seem to have the thinnest edges, cut more smoothly and snag a bit less but the knife in my motorcycle jacket pocket is invariably a Pac Salt. Every time I reach for it I know I can 100% rely on it to get the job done, no matter what I used it for last or how long it has sat in my pocket wet. What more could you ask for?mcsquirgle wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2024 5:20 pmHello Spyderco Serrated Edge fans. I have been a fan of Spyderco Knives in General for a few years now. My first good knife was a plain edge Delica 4 Lightweight. Since then I have had dozens of Spyderco knives and have loved every one of them. The thing is they have all been plain edge. I have not yet got around to trying a serrated edge Spyderco, but im looking to change that today. The serrated bug has bit me. I see alot of Serrated Spyderco knives lately, especially on the Spyderco forum. I want to know what you guys recomend. What serrated Spyderco knife do you recomend to the average user. not necessarily a self defense style knife, but capability is welcome. Im more looking for an EDC style knife. partial or fully serrated.
thanks for your help if you decide to give me any ideas.
Dan
Re: SE performance is more than simply teeth vs no teeth.
Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2024 6:42 pm
My first Spyderco knife was the 4.5" utility knife. i bought it from Spyderco at the Arizona State Fair in 1990 along with a Sharpmaker sharpener. The utility knife had a soft squishy handle and it was fantastic. My wife loved it. It wore out because i didn't know how to sharpen it. But, i still have the Sharpmaker. I have since bought the newer utility knife and the blade is just as good as the origninal. My wife is in love again.
If you want to try a SE knife try the current 4.5" utility knife with the spyder edge to see if you like it For EDC i don't care for the SE but it comes in handy for rope and the occasional small tree limb.
If you want to try a SE knife try the current 4.5" utility knife with the spyder edge to see if you like it For EDC i don't care for the SE but it comes in handy for rope and the occasional small tree limb.
mcsquirgle wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2024 5:20 pmHello Spyderco Serrated Edge fans. I have been a fan of Spyderco Knives in General for a few years now. My first good knife was a plain edge Delica 4 Lightweight. Since then I have had dozens of Spyderco knives and have loved every one of them. The thing is they have all been plain edge. I have not yet got around to trying a serrated edge Spyderco, but im looking to change that today. The serrated bug has bit me. I see alot of Serrated Spyderco knives lately, especially on the Spyderco forum. I want to know what you guys recomend. What serrated Spyderco knife do you recomend to the average user. not necessarily a self defense style knife, but capability is welcome. Im more looking for an EDC style knife. partial or fully serrated.
thanks for your help if you decide to give me any ideas.
Re: SE performance is more than simply teeth vs no teeth.
Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2024 9:23 pm
I have to agree.... and not.R100 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 12, 2024 2:40 amIt's hard to go past a Pacific Salt in H1 or H2 for your first one. In many ways it is the quintessential SE Spyderco knife. I have many SE knives and some of them, particularly the K390 versions which seem to have the thinnest edges, cut more smoothly and snag a bit less but the knife in my motorcycle jacket pocket is invariably a Pac Salt. Every time I reach for it I know I can 100% rely on it to get the job done, no matter what I used it for last or how long it has sat in my pocket wet. What more could you ask for?
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The H1/H2 Pac Salt SE is an amazing performer and "brutal cutting machine", no doubt. Really rips through matter and will do even the hardest folder (!) jobs with flying colors.
So in that sense a great tool and also great first SE choice, not arguing that!
But if the goal is to make people see how SE can also be better than PE in more delicate folder tasks, in the "better PE way", I think some ffg SE Spydie with shallower, less aggressice serrations is even better suited for that (so if the goal is to "kill" the myth "SE is only for fibrous, man made material"),
This is where I´d rather recommend the Endela or Stretch XL SE (or certainly also the K390 SE variants, which I just haven´t tried myself (yet?) )
Re: SE performance is more than simply teeth vs no teeth.
Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2024 5:32 pm
Good response Gernot! I know you also value the Pacific Salt and like me you prefer the Pac Salt 1 with it's solid frn handle.
I do think a Pacific Salt 1 or 2 makes a good first SE for someone well supplied with good PE knives because it demonstrates the raw cutting power of Spyderco serrations. However, you are right in pointing out that gentler serrations are better if you are only carrying one knife. This is a big initial step for entry into the SE world though. Getting the kind of performance that makes you want to replace PE with SE requires not just careful edge tuning but also learning how to cut with a serrated knife - technique is important.
I can only reiterate that the K390 models take this to a new level with their thin grinds. Of the ones I have the Police 4, Delica and Leafjumper have really shallow serrations. The Endura on the other hand had still thin but much spikier serrations. It still cut really well but since I got it for such a bargain price I decided to experiment with it. I sharpened the ground side on my DMT stones to thin the edge further before I reprofiled to 15°. It looks a little strange but cuts like nothing else and stays shaving sharp for a freakishly long time. It is an excellent all round knife now.
Dan
I do think a Pacific Salt 1 or 2 makes a good first SE for someone well supplied with good PE knives because it demonstrates the raw cutting power of Spyderco serrations. However, you are right in pointing out that gentler serrations are better if you are only carrying one knife. This is a big initial step for entry into the SE world though. Getting the kind of performance that makes you want to replace PE with SE requires not just careful edge tuning but also learning how to cut with a serrated knife - technique is important.
I can only reiterate that the K390 models take this to a new level with their thin grinds. Of the ones I have the Police 4, Delica and Leafjumper have really shallow serrations. The Endura on the other hand had still thin but much spikier serrations. It still cut really well but since I got it for such a bargain price I decided to experiment with it. I sharpened the ground side on my DMT stones to thin the edge further before I reprofiled to 15°. It looks a little strange but cuts like nothing else and stays shaving sharp for a freakishly long time. It is an excellent all round knife now.
Dan
Re: SE performance is more than simply teeth vs no teeth.
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2024 6:58 am
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Mike
Welcome to the Spyderco Forum.
Stay safe,
Mike