Cruwear Lightweight Temperence

[VandymanG]

Thanx much for ll of the feedback. Appreciae. We decided to make a run because of push from this forum. (one particular person mostly).

Just talkin' story;

I spent a great deal of time on the design. I hadn't designed too many fixed blades, so research was old school. I'd used knives a lot and taken courses like James Keating's "Riddle of steel". (Very knowledgeable guy). I'd designed a number of folders. I was trying to make the handle for using in any situation. Food prep, campling, MBC etc. Handling all 4 grips was core in the concept and the butt was shaped for capping. The indentations were for reversing grip using the thumb and fore-finger and we have a few due to hand sizes.

I hand carved the knife out of pine while on a long cross country road trip. From a business point of view, it was a rough gamble considering the cost of tooling, but the design required FRN to keep the cost reasonable. It did OK in the market place for a while, then it moved out for other designs. It is similar to the Jump master 2 design.

I think that this version is a nice compliment give the steel. If there is renewed interest in the design, we're already tooled, so any combination of steel/handle color can be done with little engineering.

sal

Love this post. Thank you for the talking story and background info/history. This is the first serrated knife that I truly love, it’s a laser. It cuts as good or better than any of the plain edge knives that I have straight out of the box. I love the handle and how it is comfortable in all the grips you described and I love that it is big enough that when winter hits I will still be able to use it with gloves. This is my go to yard work knife and EDC fixed blade knife, which I carry daily. I did a short hike on Thursday and left my usual hiking knife at home and didn’t miss it at all since I used this one instead. This knife filled the gap in in the Spyderco lineup perfectly. It has also inspired me to put the Jumpmaster on my Christmas wish list that my wife asks me for every year.

@sal your background story on this knife has inspired me to try carving a wood knife myself. Can I ask if you still use pine for your knife model designs when you carve? Or do you recommend another wood now?

Thank you for designing a wonderful fixed blade knife for us to enjoy. And thank you for producing it with one with my favorite steels.

In the future if possible would love to see this as a Salt series knife in Magnacut.

[Bob Janvier]

I'd really like to get some feedback on the design being used.

sal

Hi Sal,
First of all, I'd like to thank you for all those design you've created over the years and the help they bring in my everyday life.
I'm a hardcore Endura and Spyderedge fan. I love this knife, I think it's the best thought out cutting tool I've ever used, and I've got one in my pocket all the time, no matter what, since ten years.
Why do speak about the Endura here on a thread about the Temperance...?
Because there are some similarities in the design that make me feel at home when I switch between them both.
It seems to me that the Temperance is a fixed Endura with hormones.
Let me explain.
The curves in the back of the handles are the same, the thumb ramps are the same and the curves of the edges are the same also. And if I compare with an Endura 4 K390 FFG the blade geometry seems to be the same also.
The Temperance is thicker and bigger so the sensation in hand is different, but when you cut with it, the pressure in your hand is at the same spot than with the Endura and the blade slices the same way.
But because of its fixed blade construction and its size, you know that you go harder in work.
It' really great, I love it.

Here are some pictures to compare both the Endura 4 K390 FFG and the Temperance 1 Cruwear

Thanx much for ll of the feedback. Appreciae. We decided to make a run because of push from this forum. (one particular person mostly).

I think that this version is a nice compliment give the steel. If there is renewed interest in the design, we're already tooled, so any combination of steel/handle color can be done with little engineering.

sal

Even tough a Salt version of the Temperance1 should seem obvious for some people, I don't think that the handle has the best texture for that task.
Of course, I don't say that a Magnacut version won't be interesting, but maybe not marketed as "for use in the water"
The Jumpmaster2 has a similar blade shape with a better grip, but personnaly, I don't like using it bare hand in the cold water. I can feel the cold steel of the exposed tang and is not confortable.
The Aquasalt is the best choice for water use with it's full FRN handle and the "Volcano Grip" (and my favorite fix knife of all times)

The variation of the Temperance1 I would buy in a heartbeat? Spyderedge K390
VG-10 would be welcome back as well

[weeping minora]

Including the TEMP 1 to the list of "Endura family SPY27/Cobalt Blue Sprint Runs" would be a welcomed addition, I'd say.

[Tristan_david2001]

K390 and dark earth brown would be a cool flavor imo. Or make it exactly like the original vg10 blade without the hole and a black handle.(idk why the temp1 looks better to me holeless)

[Ferruginous]

I think that this version is a nice compliment give the steel. If there is renewed interest in the design, we're already tooled, so any combination of steel/handle color can be done with little engineering.

Given the fantastic design and relatively low price in an era of accelerated inflation, I expect the plain edged knives to sell out quickly.

Magnacut and black G10 Temperance Lightweight would be the greatest do-it-almost-all fixed blade. I'm guessing a lot of men get turned off by otherwise great steel combos because of the brightly colored handles. Black blends in with my belt, and everything else tucked into it or hanging from it. Please, if this goes well, consider a regular production black handled Magnacut Temperance Lightweight. I don't like "the new thing" but magnacut has been great for me, my EDC 3.5" fixed blade is Magnacut and it cuts (without rolling or chipping) and sharpens just like 52100 without the rust.

I've been using my Temperance in the jungle, it's replaced my lolsurvival knives that haven't been getting much use since leaving the Northwoods. It has become my go-to utility fixed blade that I can effectively use almost anywhere- in the jungle, in the kitchen, and for kali drills (please release the trainer soon ). It's just so balanced, light, comfortable and SECURE in my hand. It also isn't ground like an axe, like most substantial fixed blades are. I'm sure the plain edge will cut well enough but the chisel ground serrated version cuts like a laser compared to most other fixed blades.

Once the plain edged version comes out I believe I'll be selling off all of the 4-6" fixed blades I own except for some japanese style tantos (Williams Blade Design) that I like because they're so flat that they carry like they're not even there and also work in any grip (mentioning this only in case it helps anyone understand the only thing I can't do effectively with the Temperance). The only thing that the Temperance Lightweight doesn't do well is carry concealed IWB, because the handle is so thick, but that is the compromise for comfort and security in use. I wonder if you could do a thinner handled version, the Temperance CC, with flat grips? Maybe you could do it without retooling, use the same tang with an enclosing micarta or G10 handle epoxied in place and run a pin through it? Those who understand would happily pay more for such a knife.

[Bob Janvier]

The only thing that the Temperance Lightweight doesn't do well is carry concealed IWB, because the handle is so thick, but that is the compromise for comfort and security in use. I wonder if you could do a thinner handled version, the Temperance CC, with flat grips?

Maybe you can look at the Jumpmaster 2
It has a very similar shape, The blade thickness is 3mm instead of 4mm for the Temperance, the steel is H2 and won't rust if your wear it IWB, the blade is fully serrated and the FRN handle scales are removable so you can replace them with paracord or DIY G10 or Micarta.
If you're intersted, I posted two pictures of both the Jumpmaster 2 and the Temperance 1 side by side on this tread, page 6, message #106.
You can even compare the specs
Temperance product page
Jumpmaster 2 product page

Hope that helps

[Tristan_david2001]

@sal I’m curious, this sprint is coming out of the Moki factory in Japan like the original right? I wonder if any of these super steels would face a challenge for a factory like Moki to manufacture, just a thought.

[Tristan_david2001]

I'd really like to get some feedback on the design being used.

sal

Hi Sal,
First of all, I'd like to thank you for all those design you've created over the years and the help they bring in my everyday life.
I'm a hardcore Endura and Spyderedge fan. I love this knife, I think it's the best thought out cutting tool I've ever used, and I've got one in my pocket all the time, no matter what, since ten years.
Why do speak about the Endura here on a thread about the Temperance...?
Because there are some similarities in the design that make me feel at home when I switch between them both.
It seems to me that the Temperance is a fixed Endura with hormones.
Let me explain.
The curves in the back of the handles are the same, the thumb ramps are the same and the curves of the edges are the same also. And if I compare with an Endura 4 K390 FFG the blade geometry seems to be the same also.
The Temperance is thicker and bigger so the sensation in hand is different, but when you cut with it, the pressure in your hand is at the same spot than with the Endura and the blade slices the same way.
But because of its fixed blade construction and its size, you know that you go harder in work.
It' really great, I love it.

Here are some pictures to compare both the Endura 4 K390 FFG and the Temperance 1 Cruwear
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Thanx much for ll of the feedback. Appreciae. We decided to make a run because of push from this forum. (one particular person mostly).

I think that this version is a nice compliment give the steel. If there is renewed interest in the design, we're already tooled, so any combination of steel/handle color can be done with little engineering.

sal

Even tough a Salt version of the Temperance1 should seem obvious for some people, I don't think that the handle has the best texture for that task.
Of course, I don't say that a Magnacut version won't be interesting, but maybe not marketed as "for use in the water"
The Jumpmaster2 has a similar blade shape with a better grip, but personnaly, I don't like using it bare hand in the cold water. I can feel the cold steel of the exposed tang and is not confortable.
The Aquasalt is the best choice for water use with it's full FRN handle and the "Volcano Grip" (and my favorite fix knife of all times)

The variation of the Temperance1 I would buy in a heartbeat? Spyderedge K390
VG-10 would be welcome back as well

Great pictures, I love how a lot of the in house designs from spyderco share a lot of similar design attributes even beyond the temp and endura. a mid amount of belly, slicey grinds, negative blade angle, very similar handle spine “arch” and overall ergonomics, thumb ramps, etc. personally I look at the temp as a fixed blade spawning from the calypso series, with more similarities to the temp like a leaf shape blade, and handle-swell style of handle opposed to finger grooves. Also both made in Moki..

[Jim Malone]

Any news when the plain edge versions will ship?

[SchoonerBum]

I would just like to add my voice to the chorus of “I hope we see a salt version someday!”

It sounds like Magnacut might sell better but personally I would be just as happy with LC200N.

[mark greenman]

Nice review of the previous temp:

[Vamais]

I keep coming back to this thread and reading about the attributes of the Cruwear Temperance. But then I ask myself: "What will this knife do better than my CS 3V Master Hunter, which I already have and like, where the performance difference is significant enough to justify the cost?"

[cabfrank]

I'm tempted over and over as well. I think it's a good price for this knife, but the Jumpmaster 2 has me covered.

[mark greenman]

I'm tempted over and over as well. I think it's a good price for this knife, but the Jumpmaster 2 has me covered.

I think a Temperance XL pairing the current Temp handle with a ~6", FFG blade, would stand out more in the current Spyderco lineup.

Not sure if the blade could be upsized without having to change the handle moulds, but if possible that would be a cool option to max the moulds use; a 6" FFG (to say nothing of a 6" SE) would be awesome.

[cabfrank]

6 inch SE would be an amazing cutting monster.

[toomanyquestions]

If there is renewed interest in the design, we're already tooled, so any combination of steel/handle color can be done with little engineering.

Given the fantastic design and relatively low price in an era of accelerated inflation, I expect the plain edged knives to sell out quickly....Please, if this goes well, consider a regular production...

....Once the plain edged version comes out I believe I'll be selling off all of the 4-6" fixed blades I own except for some japanese style tantos (Williams Blade Design)...

This knife looks really capable, a modern multi-purpose belt knife. A regular production run in MagnaCut or Spy27 would be fantastic. Priced reasonably, I think the Temperance might really compete with carbon steel outdoors/camp/woods blades from other companies. It certainly would in my collection.

[yowzer]

HAP40 with the burnt orange handle color would be pretty nifty.

[shunsui]

Picked up mine today. First impression: it's a great deal for the money.

It seems like the best knife/sheath combination I've seen from Spyderco. The sheath design seems a step up in execution. Love the spot for the thumb to pop the knife and the clearance on the edge side of the blade.

Handle seemed vaguely slick, but I think a little soap and water will clean off any mold release residue. The dimples work well for me. I may even expand on them with a dremel tool. The end of the handle has oddly sharpish edges which may get the dremel treatment too, but they probably would be great if you want a self defense knife.

I thought the color of the handle was pretty monotonous in the pictures, but it's not so bad in person. The reflective, satin blade sets a contrast to the handle. Other colors would be appreciated in the future though.

The blade thickness, grind, and length make for a great working knife. I may bevel the top of the thumb ramp to give it a little more real estate at a lower angle.

Big fan of Cruwear too, as I don't usually have issues with corrosion. YMMV

A sprint run that didn't have the hole in the blade would be kinda cool.

All in all, it's good bang for the buck.

This wouldn't be the worst knife you could gift someone. They won't be thinking about bronze washers, pivot screws, Torx wrenches, and lock strength.

[zuludelta]

I think a Temperance XL pairing the current Temp handle with a ~6", FFG blade, would stand out more in the current Spyderco lineup.

Not sure if the blade could be upsized without having to change the handle moulds, but if possible that would be a cool option to max the moulds use; a 6" FFG (to say nothing of a 6" SE) would be awesome.

Check out the Condor Tool & Knife Wayfinder designed by Joe Flowers for a pseudo-Temperance XL. It has a Scandi grind, but it really looks like a scaled up Temperance (it has a 5-and-a-half inch blade).

[JD Spydo]

Anybody got any idea as to how fast these TEMP 1 Sprint models are selling? I just got news I'll be getting funds on the 02 of November. I just hope they don't sell out before then.

The TEMP1 has been my favorite fixed blade going all the way back to 2004 when I got my first two. They say :"if there's a will then there's a way". This is one I will not miss.

And then to have a Cruwear blade on top of everything else>> talk about a really good dream coming true.