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could it ever happen? @sal
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It’s called a Paramilitary 2
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Been a while since we had a PM2 run with cool blade shape.
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Snacktime wrote:
Fri Jul 04, 2025 5:37 pm
Been a while since we had a PM2 run with cool blade shape.

How about a hollow grind?
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Snacktime wrote:
Fri Jul 04, 2025 5:37 pm
Been a while since we had a PM2 run with cool blade shape.
Isn't there a clip point PM2 that's coming soon ?
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p_atrick wrote:
Fri Jul 04, 2025 8:35 pm
Snacktime wrote:
Fri Jul 04, 2025 5:37 pm
Been a while since we had a PM2 run with cool blade shape.

How about a hollow grind?
Saber grind! There's something about the saber ground version of the stretch that just looks SO good. A saber ground pm2 would be incredible.
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Of course i can only speak for myself, but the day every Spyderco comes with compression lock is when i look elsewhere for interesting designs and knives.
I don't hate the compression lock but i don't see it as the second coming of Christ/ best invention since sliced bread either.. :)
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Larry_Mott wrote:
Sat Jul 05, 2025 11:33 am
Of course i can only speak for myself, but the day every Spyderco comes with compression lock is when i look elsewhere for interesting designs and knives.
I don't hate the compression lock but i don't see it as the second coming of Christ/ best invention since sliced bread either.. :)
Fortunately, Spyderco will be the last company to focus on just one lock or just one steel.
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I'm not wild about the compression lock, but obviously many are. I bet a comp lock Stretch 2 XL would sell well but, as others have said, a comp lock Stretch 2 is probably too similar to the PM2 to warrant a new model.
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Coastal wrote:
Sat Jul 05, 2025 12:54 pm
I'm not wild about the compression lock, but many obviously are. I bet a comp lock Stretch 2 XL would sell well but, as others have said, a comp lock Stretch 2 is probably too similar to the PM2 to warrant a new model.
I think a Seki made PM2-like knife priced at about $120 would fly off of the shelves. VG-10 steel and FRN. It would essentially be the Lightweight PM2
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Think top liner lock, like the Sage 6. That would catch my interest.
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crayon wrote:
Sat Jul 05, 2025 11:12 am
p_atrick wrote:
Fri Jul 04, 2025 8:35 pm
Snacktime wrote:
Fri Jul 04, 2025 5:37 pm
Been a while since we had a PM2 run with cool blade shape.

How about a hollow grind?
Saber grind! There's something about the saber ground version of the stretch that just looks SO good. A saber ground pm2 would be incredible.
They made one. It was an exclusive can’t remember the site, but it had an emerson wave
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Larry_Mott wrote:
Sat Jul 05, 2025 11:33 am
Of course i can only speak for myself, but the day every Spyderco comes with compression lock is when i look elsewhere for interesting designs and knives.
I don't hate the compression lock but i don't see it as the second coming of Christ/ best invention since sliced bread either.. :)
What about the design dont you like? Personally I think its the best overall lock design however comes with the big flaw of having pretty poor closed bias (basically just the detent which is relatively weak). This is only an issue if clipped in a waste band and not in a pocket, and even then very rare to be an issue but still an issue none the less. For instance I have the Salt PM2 which is amazing, but I dont trust the compression lock tip up in my shorts or bathing suit when jumping in and out of the water all day.

I think a compression lock with some type of way to increase closed bias would be my ideal lock.
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Rezimus wrote:
Sun Jul 06, 2025 12:26 pm
Larry_Mott wrote:
Sat Jul 05, 2025 11:33 am
Of course i can only speak for myself, but the day every Spyderco comes with compression lock is when i look elsewhere for interesting designs and knives.
I don't hate the compression lock but i don't see it as the second coming of Christ/ best invention since sliced bread either.. :)
What about the design dont you like? Personally I think its the best overall lock design however comes with the big flaw of having pretty poor closed bias (basically just the detent which is relatively weak). This is only an issue if clipped in a waste band and not in a pocket, and even then very rare to be an issue but still an issue none the less. For instance I have the Salt PM2 which is amazing, but I dont trust the compression lock tip up in my shorts or bathing suit when jumping in and out of the water all day.

I think a compression lock with some type of way to increase closed bias would be my ideal lock.
It’s rather difficult to operate with gloves on.
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8th_Note wrote:
Sat Jul 05, 2025 1:01 pm
Coastal wrote:
Sat Jul 05, 2025 12:54 pm
I'm not wild about the compression lock, but many obviously are. I bet a comp lock Stretch 2 XL would sell well but, as others have said, a comp lock Stretch 2 is probably too similar to the PM2 to warrant a new model.
I think a Seki made PM2-like knife priced at about $120 would fly off of the shelves. VG-10 steel and FRN. It would essentially be the Lightweight PM2
I think it can only be done if the model is made with dual liners. Eric explained otherwise the handle in that size flexes to hard to ensure the safety of the lock. That is why there is still no Para 2 LW. As its way more difficult then just enlarging the Para 3 Lw.
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apollo wrote:
Sun Jul 06, 2025 4:20 pm
8th_Note wrote:
Sat Jul 05, 2025 1:01 pm
Coastal wrote:
Sat Jul 05, 2025 12:54 pm
I'm not wild about the compression lock, but many obviously are. I bet a comp lock Stretch 2 XL would sell well but, as others have said, a comp lock Stretch 2 is probably too similar to the PM2 to warrant a new model.
I think a Seki made PM2-like knife priced at about $120 would fly off of the shelves. VG-10 steel and FRN. It would essentially be the Lightweight PM2
I think it can only be done if the model is made with dual liners. Eric explained otherwise the handle in that size flexes to hard to ensure the safety of the lock. That is why there is still no Para 2 LW. As its way more difficult then just enlarging the Para 3 Lw.
Interesting. I wonder then how that explains the Stretch 2 XL which does not have any liners. That is a pretty big knife to just have FRN.
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Red Leader wrote:
Sun Jul 06, 2025 4:23 pm
apollo wrote:
Sun Jul 06, 2025 4:20 pm
8th_Note wrote:
Sat Jul 05, 2025 1:01 pm
Coastal wrote:
Sat Jul 05, 2025 12:54 pm
I'm not wild about the compression lock, but many obviously are. I bet a comp lock Stretch 2 XL would sell well but, as others have said, a comp lock Stretch 2 is probably too similar to the PM2 to warrant a new model.
I think a Seki made PM2-like knife priced at about $120 would fly off of the shelves. VG-10 steel and FRN. It would essentially be the Lightweight PM2
I think it can only be done if the model is made with dual liners. Eric explained otherwise the handle in that size flexes to hard to ensure the safety of the lock. That is why there is still no Para 2 LW. As its way more difficult then just enlarging the Para 3 Lw.
Interesting. I wonder then how that explains the Stretch 2 XL which does not have any liners. That is a pretty big knife to just have FRN.
I believe apollo is expressing why the compression lock won't work without two steel liners under FRN in a model of such substantially increased size beyond the Para 3, not that any lock won't work (in the case of the S2XL, the backlock). I could be wrong and apollo is free to correct me if so.

With the current S2XL being ~$120 at its base price (and base materials), I'd figure there would be a substantial price increase to implement a compression lock into the model, much like we have seen with the Lil Temperance 3 LW. Again, I could be wrong. This is kind of insane to say, as when I got into Spyderco, the base (Satin S30V) PM2 went for $120.
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Red Leader wrote:
Sun Jul 06, 2025 4:23 pm
apollo wrote:
Sun Jul 06, 2025 4:20 pm
8th_Note wrote:
Sat Jul 05, 2025 1:01 pm
Coastal wrote:
Sat Jul 05, 2025 12:54 pm
I'm not wild about the compression lock, but many obviously are. I bet a comp lock Stretch 2 XL would sell well but, as others have said, a comp lock Stretch 2 is probably too similar to the PM2 to warrant a new model.
I think a Seki made PM2-like knife priced at about $120 would fly off of the shelves. VG-10 steel and FRN. It would essentially be the Lightweight PM2
I think it can only be done if the model is made with dual liners. Eric explained otherwise the handle in that size flexes to hard to ensure the safety of the lock. That is why there is still no Para 2 LW. As its way more difficult then just enlarging the Para 3 Lw.
Interesting. I wonder then how that explains the Stretch 2 XL which does not have any liners. That is a pretty big knife to just have FRN.
Lockbacks do not have that problem as the lock helps both scales stay stable.
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weeping minora wrote:
Sun Jul 06, 2025 4:48 pm
Red Leader wrote:
Sun Jul 06, 2025 4:23 pm
apollo wrote:
Sun Jul 06, 2025 4:20 pm
8th_Note wrote:
Sat Jul 05, 2025 1:01 pm


I think a Seki made PM2-like knife priced at about $120 would fly off of the shelves. VG-10 steel and FRN. It would essentially be the Lightweight PM2
I think it can only be done if the model is made with dual liners. Eric explained otherwise the handle in that size flexes to hard to ensure the safety of the lock. That is why there is still no Para 2 LW. As its way more difficult then just enlarging the Para 3 Lw.
Interesting. I wonder then how that explains the Stretch 2 XL which does not have any liners. That is a pretty big knife to just have FRN.
I believe apollo is expressing why the compression lock won't work without two steel liners under FRN in a model of such substantially increased size beyond the Para 3, not that any lock won't work (in the case of the S2XL, the backlock). I could be wrong and apollo is free to correct me if so.

With the current S2XL being ~$120 at its base price (and base materials), I'd figure there would be a substantial price increase to implement a compression lock into the model, much like we have seen with the Lil Temperance 3 LW. Again, I could be wrong. This is kind of insane to say, as when I got into Spyderco, the base (Satin S30V) PM2 went for $120.
Absolutely correct Thx for the help!
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apollo wrote:
Sun Jul 06, 2025 4:20 pm
8th_Note wrote:
Sat Jul 05, 2025 1:01 pm
Coastal wrote:
Sat Jul 05, 2025 12:54 pm
I'm not wild about the compression lock, but many obviously are. I bet a comp lock Stretch 2 XL would sell well but, as others have said, a comp lock Stretch 2 is probably too similar to the PM2 to warrant a new model.
I think a Seki made PM2-like knife priced at about $120 would fly off of the shelves. VG-10 steel and FRN. It would essentially be the Lightweight PM2
I think it can only be done if the model is made with dual liners. Eric explained otherwise the handle in that size flexes to hard to ensure the safety of the lock. That is why there is still no Para 2 LW. As its way more difficult then just enlarging the Para 3 Lw.
Kunwu just came out with a compression-style lock on one of their larger knives. It has a bar that runs between the scales, and thru the the lock bar tab, to stabilize the lock bar and prevent it from twisting (and releasing) if the knife is torqued during use. This might be the answer to compression locks on larger LW knives. (Images from Metal Complex youtube channel)
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