I’ve noticed that many of Spyderco’s newer designs and US made backlocks don’t have the boye dent.
It allows for blades to wobble if the knife’s gripped hard.
It’s the mid lock’s weakest design feature.
Really starting to drive me nuts.
Does anybody gander to guess why
A. Why has Spyderco began to remove the boye dents from their mid backlocks?
B. Has this issue been addressed by the manufacturer?
C. Anybody else getting tires of wobble blades when gripping a knife in hammer fist?
1. It’s not necessary, or at least lots of use have zero issues with back locks disengaging during use.
2. It makes lock disengagement harder OR requires more lockbar to be exposed.
3. Even if you pushing on the lock during use it still functions.
I’m puzzled how anyone is getting any amount of force applied to the lock in a hammer grip. Reverse hammer grip I get.
Re: Boye dent
Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2024 12:35 pm
by Sharp Guy
Boye Dent has been discussed many times since I've been a member here
I have no idea how you're getting the issue you're having. I occasionally use a hammer grip when cutting through thick material and I've never had any issues regardless if the lock bar has a Boye Dent or not. I don't think I'm pushing down on the lock bar at all. Could be a difference in hands I guess
Re: Boye dent
Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2024 1:22 pm
by vivi
i have no issues using knives with or without the dent.
Re: Boye dent
Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2024 1:24 pm
by Jesla
You can always grind your own…. However the inverse is an issue for the dents, it’s much harder to remove.
I always have to use the tip of my thumb, like I’m driving my thumbnail into the dent to get that last micron to unlock the vile things…. I hate them on all knifes.
Re: Boye dent
Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2024 1:33 pm
by Aladinsane
I am interested to experiment with this myself. As of now, I only have one knife with a back lock and a Boye dent, the Caly3. Hopefully, by Monday my Leafjumper will be delivered, which has no dent. It’s currently languishing in the USPS about 30 miles away!
I have never really noticed the Boye dent during use. The only thing I really like about it is that it adds to the aesthetics of the knife. It will be interesting to see how the dent and dent-less designs compare.
Re: Boye dent
Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2024 1:55 pm
by Evil D
Because it's easier to add one than it is to remove one and not everyone wants it.
1. It’s not necessary, or at least lots of use have zero issues with back locks disengaging during use.
2. It makes lock disengagement harder OR requires more lockbar to be exposed.
3. Even if you pushing on the lock during use it still functions.
I’m puzzled how anyone is getting any amount of force applied to the lock in a hammer grip. Reverse hammer grip I get.
If you grip a knife without a dent hard enough, the lock disengages enough to allow the blade to wobble.
I’ve experienced this with every single non-dent mid backlock from Spyderco.
If I figured out how to upload a video, quickly, I’d be happy to share.
I have no idea how you're getting the issue you're having. I occasionally use a hammer grip when cutting through thick material and I've never had any issues regardless if the lock bar has a Boye Dent or not. I don't think I'm pushing down on the lock bar at all. Could be a difference in hands I guess
Thanks for that, Sharp Guy!
I suppose that given Sal’s response, I should try uploading a video of the knives I have to exhibit exactly how the elimination of dent not a bet positive, and that reducing the size of the well as mentioned by Sal didn’t fix the problem.
Because it's easier to add one than it is to remove one and not everyone wants it.
I almost included this in my list but I think it’s more complicated than that. You don’t want your finger to bottom out before the lock disengages, so depending on how the knife is designed a dent may make it hard to unlock the knife.
I just tried with my Native Chief LW and Chaparral LW. The Chief I’ve tweaked the lock spring to be lighter. Yes I can grip it such that the blade lockup is not perfectly tight. It’s not a functional problem but it’s an OCD issue I guess. I’m not convinced a dent will solve it in this case.
I can do this same thing with a Stretch that does have a dent.
The Chap lockbar is much stronger and doesn’t move at all. I think making your lock spring stronger is the real solution.
Because it's easier to add one than it is to remove one and not everyone wants it.
I almost included this in my list but I think it’s more complicated than that. You don’t want your finger to bottom out before the lock disengages, so depending on how the knife is designed a dent may make it hard to unlock the knife.
I just tried with my Native Chief LW and Chaparral LW. The Chief I’ve tweaked the lock spring to be lighter. Yes I can grip it such that the blade lockup is not perfectly tight. It’s not a functional problem but it’s an OCD issue I guess. I’m not convinced a dent will solve it in this case.
I can do this same thing with a Stretch that does have a dent.
The Chap lockbar is much stronger and doesn’t move at all. I think making your lock spring stronger is the real solution.
Both Sirens have a very strong lock.
I tried uploading to YT but after half an hour of the spinning wheel of death I gave up.
You’re right. It’s an OCD thing. It makes the knives appear cheaper feeling, in my minds eyes, is all.
That’s the one thing about a mid backlock I don’t love.
Because it's easier to add one than it is to remove one and not everyone wants it.
I almost included this in my list but I think it’s more complicated than that. You don’t want your finger to bottom out before the lock disengages, so depending on how the knife is designed a dent may make it hard to unlock the knife.
I just tried with my Native Chief LW and Chaparral LW. The Chief I’ve tweaked the lock spring to be lighter. Yes I can grip it such that the blade lockup is not perfectly tight. It’s not a functional problem but it’s an OCD issue I guess. I’m not convinced a dent will solve it in this case.
I can do this same thing with a Stretch that does have a dent.
The Chap lockbar is much stronger and doesn’t move at all. I think making your lock spring stronger is the real solution.
I certainly think there's a lot more thought into making one than just grinding a dip into the lock bar. I think if I were doing one I'd press the bar all the way in and then marker the side of the bar to have a stopping point.
Re: Boye dent
Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2024 3:53 pm
by Coastal
I've never noticed the dent, or lack of dent, in use. I have noticed it's a little easier for me to release the lock when closing if there's no dent present. For this reason, and because I dislike the appearance of a dent breaking up the clean lines of a knife, I'd rather Spyderco refrain from making folders with a dent. That said, a dent, or lack thereof, has no influence on whether I'll buy a knife.
Re: Boye dent
Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2024 6:45 pm
by James Y
I like the dent, but I'm also fine without it. I've never had any issues with my grip inadvertently unlocking a back lock either way.
The real advantage of the dent for me is it's a little quicker to locate the lock bar by feel, without having to look to unlock it. Not a big deal to me.
If you grip a knife without a dent hard enough, the lock disengages enough to allow the blade to wobble.
I’ve experienced this with every single non-dent mid backlock from Spyderco.
If I figured out how to upload a video, quickly, I’d be happy to share.
For the life of me, I can't figure out how to grip the knife so the blade wobbles.
Are you cutting something when the blade wobbles, or are you waving it around?
Frankly, I'm afraid to wave the knife around while trying to open the lock.
Re: Boye dent
Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2024 7:22 pm
by Danke
how to post a video
Re: Boye dent
Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2024 8:53 pm
by Switchback
I like the dent but I rarely if ever, need to grip my knives in a manner that might disengage the lock. If I had a problem with lock disengagement, I would consider that a lesson in knife usage and consider carrying a fixed blade instead of a folder.
I like the dent because it’s a nice little pocket for the meat of my thumb to dig into. I have no problem with dentless lock bars but for me personally, the dent is more comfortable to use.
Re: Boye dent
Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2024 9:29 pm
by 270ultimate
My favorite aspect of the dent is it’s yet another example of Spyderco doing the right thing, and giving credit where credit’s due.