My Would-Be EuroEdge

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My Would-Be EuroEdge

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I will be posting the essence of this post to the Counterfeits, Clones, and Replicas sub-forum, but here I just want to share a recent experience.

I’ve been buying Spyderco knives for 14 years now. I have a large accumulation. I don’t buy to sell or swap, though I have done both on occasion. I tell myself this collection will be going to my grandson when he is older. It keeps me in the hunt. See how that works?

I’ve sourced maybe 2/3rds of my collection from eBay, where I have numerous searches doing their work. I check these searches sometimes daily, sometimes multiple times a day.

Last week a “New” Ed Schempp EuroEdge popped up for something just under $100 or Best Offer. I expressed interest by hitting the heart and soon was offered a discount. At $86 plus shipping, and with reassuring photos, how could I refuse a pricing that may not have been market-ignorant but honestly carefree?

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The knife arrived today, the blade nicely sharpened and centered, but the action not at all Spyderco-smooth. If I had questions about the knife’s authenticity, they were fast answered by the lack of logos on blade and clip, the total absence of typical Spyderco information on the tang, no model sticker on the box. This knife was not like the one pictured.

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Within an hour of notifying eBay of the double ruse (fake knife substituted for pictured authentic one), I was reimbursed what I had paid and told to keep the knife.

Turns out this model, which has stirred my imagination for years, is not for me. I’ve been so Glesserized that a neutral blade-angle seems like a deficiency.

All in all, I’ve been burned on eBay just once and this time is not that time. No harm, no foul for me, but no doubt for Spyderco.
-Marc (pocketing my JD Smith sprint today)

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Isn't the G10 polished on these? That would have been my first clue, besides the smoking hot deal.
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Ebay is garbage
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Always boggles my mind that something this niche gets counterfeited. It would take me days to model that in CAD let alone produce a marginally workable knife on a CNC.
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Gordoonsky found his for $28. You paid too much.😝
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When you say "Turns out this model, which has stirred my imagination for years, is not for me." - Does that mean you do not like the EuroEdge?

I don't mean to be rude, this has just always been a peeve for me. Because unless you've handled an authentic version, I stand firm that handling this fake piece will not provide the same experience as an authentic Spyderco EuroEdge would have.

I've heard it many times in the past - "buy the fake to get a feel for the knife in general without the accompanying price tag of the authentic version." :vomit I know you didn't willingly buy it as a fake but you knew it was fake upon receiving it and are still using that experience with it as a legitimate substitute for the authentic version.

And I get it, the fake version is "close enough" to get a general idea for ergonomics but the quality standards couldn't be further from the same. It is not a Spyderco product and it should not be treated as such.

Of course, authentic or not, the Eurgoedge might truly not be for you but I do think it's unfortunate that you would let a fake version of the knife determine that for you. :respect :bug-white-red
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Like he said, Nick, the neutral blade angle is the thing that turned him off. That isn't going to change if he springs for the real deal.
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Bad luck on the fake - what is it that they say? If something looks too good to be true …

The proper Euroedge is beautifully made and a stunning show-piece, but wasn’t permanently to my taste either.
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yablanowitz wrote:
Thu Nov 28, 2024 11:34 am
Like he said, Nick, the neutral blade angle is the thing that turned him off. That isn't going to change if he springs for the real deal.
I understand and I'm not saying he should now go buy the real one just to come to the same conclusion but the sentiment still remains - These fakes shouldn't be used as substitutes for the real thing. It was accidental in this situation but I'll never agree with that practice. (for any model, not just the EuroEdge)
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For reference.

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yablanowitz wrote:
Thu Nov 28, 2024 8:00 am
Gordoonsky found his for $28. You paid too much.😝
Not to put too fine a point on it, eBay paid. You’d think they’d crack down on the creeps.
-Marc (pocketing my JD Smith sprint today)

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Mushroom wrote:
Thu Nov 28, 2024 12:21 pm
yablanowitz wrote:
Thu Nov 28, 2024 11:34 am
Like he said, Nick, the neutral blade angle is the thing that turned him off. That isn't going to change if he springs for the real deal.
I understand and I'm not saying he should now go buy the real one just to come to the same conclusion but the sentiment still remains - These fakes shouldn't be used as substitutes for the real thing. It was accidental in this situation but I'll never agree with that practice. (for any model, not just the EuroEdge)
This is “he”. I’m in the room.

Give it a rest, Nick. I don’t make it a habit pursuing and testing fakes so I don’t have to pay full price for real ones. This is my first counterfeit in 14 years.

Did you actually absorb what I said. If you’re going to step in as some sort of moral authority, you probably ought to, before you scold. If you did read it, work on your reading retention.
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Reject wrote:
Thu Nov 28, 2024 12:38 pm
For reference.

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And this appearance was what attracted me.
-Marc (pocketing my JD Smith sprint today)

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wrdwrght wrote:
Thu Nov 28, 2024 1:31 pm
Mushroom wrote:
Thu Nov 28, 2024 12:21 pm
yablanowitz wrote:
Thu Nov 28, 2024 11:34 am
Like he said, Nick, the neutral blade angle is the thing that turned him off. That isn't going to change if he springs for the real deal.
I understand and I'm not saying he should now go buy the real one just to come to the same conclusion but the sentiment still remains - These fakes shouldn't be used as substitutes for the real thing. It was accidental in this situation but I'll never agree with that practice. (for any model, not just the EuroEdge)
This is “he”. I’m in the room.

Give it a rest, Nick. I don’t make it a habit pursuing and testing fakes so I don’t have to pay full price for real ones. This is my first counterfeit in 14 years.

Did you actually absorb what I said. If you’re going to step in as some sort of moral authority, you probably ought to, before you scold. If you did read it, work on your reading retention.
Sheesh! Didn’t think I’d hurt your feelings.

Yes, I read what you wrote. I don’t know what you’re so worked up about but relax… :eye-roll

Please, correct me if I’m wrong here - you are basing your opinion of the authentic Spyderco EuroEdge based on your experience with this fake.

Otherwise, I’ll patiently wait for your thoughts when you get yourself a real one.
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dang dude, that really how you're gonna spend ya turkey day?
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This situation is literally happening in this thread.



My first post wasn’t supposed to be accusatory or anything like that but tone is never translated accurately through text. I tried to make my original post as neutral as possible. I even thought my response to Jack was considered.
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Nick, when multiple think you are in the wrong, consider looking in the mirror at the problem.

Regardless, Happy Thanksgiving everyone!
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tbdoc4kids wrote:
Thu Nov 28, 2024 5:17 pm
Nick, when multiple think you are in the wrong, consider looking in the mirror at the problem.

Regardless, Happy Thanksgiving everyone!
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To be honest "multiple people thinking I'm wrong" doesn't concern me. If people want to disagree with me that's their prerogative but I'll die on the hill that it's never okay to buy fakes.

I understand and acknowledged it was not intentional in the OP's situation presented here. I don't know why me speaking out against fakes caused such a controversy. :spiral-eyes
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Evil D wrote:
Thu Nov 28, 2024 6:15 am
Isn't the G10 polished on these? That would have been my first clue, besides the smoking hot deal.
FYI, my practice is open the box, then open the knife, all without looking. Sorta like Sal’s designing in the dark. I want the feels before the looks.

The action certainly told me something was off. The smooth but evidently dull G10, when I opened my eyes, added to my growing awareness.

FWIW, I have acquired several excellent Spydies on eBay that were significantly underpriced, and so I took this chance, eyes wide open.
-Marc (pocketing my JD Smith sprint today)

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Mushroom wrote:
Thu Nov 28, 2024 6:05 pm
tbdoc4kids wrote:
Thu Nov 28, 2024 5:17 pm
Nick, when multiple think you are in the wrong, consider looking in the mirror at the problem.

Regardless, Happy Thanksgiving everyone!
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To be honest "multiple people thinking I'm wrong" doesn't concern me. If people want to disagree with me that's their prerogative but I'll die on the hill that it's never okay to buy fakes.

I understand and acknowledged it was not intentional in the OP's situation presented here. I don't know why me speaking out against fakes caused such a controversy. :spiral-eyes
OK, that image was funny! And now I understand what and why you were trying to communicate.

Peace!

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