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Re: New Manix 2 with Uneven Bevel
Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:01 pm
by Notsurewhy
Flash wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 1:06 pm
You can only get away with poorly finished bevels, blade play, lock rock and generally poorly administered quality control for so long.
The enthusiasts may just about be able to tolerate the price hikes, but if the quality of the finished product declines at the same time, people will walk away.
When exactly did it become acceptable to sell a $200 knife with uneven bevels?
When Spyderco decided to be the only ones selling S110v for $200 or less? Stryder used to sell s110v models for close to $500, I don't know if they still make them or not. No one else is even trying except some custom makers.
Not that the bevels shouldn't be even, I just thought the $200 comment needed context. It's like complaining about your $70k Corvette that's faster than $140k Porsche because the interior stitching is a bit crooked on the Chevy.
Re: New Manix 2 with Uneven Bevel
Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:17 am
by Flash
Notsurewhy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:01 pm
Flash wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 1:06 pm
You can only get away with poorly finished bevels, blade play, lock rock and generally poorly administered quality control for so long.
The enthusiasts may just about be able to tolerate the price hikes, but if the quality of the finished product declines at the same time, people will walk away.
When exactly did it become acceptable to sell a $200 knife with uneven bevels?
When Spyderco decided to be the only ones selling S110v for $200 or less? Stryder used to sell s110v models for close to $500, I don't know if they still make them or not. No one else is even trying except some custom makers.
Not that the bevels shouldn't be even, I just thought the $200 comment needed context. It's like complaining about your $70k Corvette that's faster than $140k Porsche because the interior stitching is a bit crooked on the Chevy.
So what you are saying is that because Spyderco make them out of S110v and charge less than another manufacturers S110v, it’s perfectly ok for a customer to expect a blade that hasn’t been finished properly?
To continue with your tenuous car analogy it would be more like buying a new Corvette with the “check engine” light flashing. Chevy then says we leave that bit to the customer to figure out because our car is cheaper than Porsche.
Nothing is going to convince me that its unreasonable to expect a small amount of quality control get thrown at a knife costing $200, regardless of the steel the blade is and regardless of who else makes blades in that same steel.
Re: New Manix 2 with Uneven Bevel
Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2024 1:12 pm
by SpyderJunky
I once received a knife I was unhappy with and contacted the dealer.
They said no problem, and sent me a return shipping label pronto. I put it on their box and got a full credit for another knife.
Easy peasy.
Re: New Manix 2 with Uneven Bevel
Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2024 4:03 pm
by Notsurewhy
Flash wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:17 am
Notsurewhy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:01 pm
Flash wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 1:06 pm
You can only get away with poorly finished bevels, blade play, lock rock and generally poorly administered quality control for so long.
The enthusiasts may just about be able to tolerate the price hikes, but if the quality of the finished product declines at the same time, people will walk away.
When exactly did it become acceptable to sell a $200 knife with uneven bevels?
When Spyderco decided to be the only ones selling S110v for $200 or less? Stryder used to sell s110v models for close to $500, I don't know if they still make them or not. No one else is even trying except some custom makers.
Not that the bevels shouldn't be even, I just thought the $200 comment needed context. It's like complaining about your $70k Corvette that's faster than $140k Porsche because the interior stitching is a bit crooked on the Chevy.
So what you are saying is that because Spyderco make them out of S110v and charge less than another manufacturers S110v, it’s perfectly ok for a customer to expect a blade that hasn’t been finished properly?
To continue with your tenuous car analogy it would be more like buying a new Corvette with the “check engine” light flashing. Chevy then says we leave that bit to the customer to figure out because our car is cheaper than Porsche.
Nothing is going to convince me that its unreasonable to expect a small amount of quality control get thrown at a knife costing $200, regardless of the steel the blade is and regardless of who else makes blades in that same steel.
I said the bevels should be even. But no company is perfect. Every manufacturer is going to have a QA miss sometimes. To me an uneven edge bevel is not a check engine light, to you it may be. Luckily Spyderco has very good warranty support (dunno for sure myself, never had to use it).
When literally no one else is working with a steel because it's fussy and difficult to grind and finish, I give the manufacturer a little more leeway. You are perfectly within your rights to expect perfection in a $200 knife that no one else will make for less than $500.
Re: New Manix 2 with Uneven Bevel
Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2024 8:44 pm
by Erich
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Re: New Manix 2 with Uneven Bevel
Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2024 8:50 pm
by Erich
Re: New Manix 2 with Uneven Bevel
Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2024 10:10 pm
by Mat_ski
I’m not sure why keep a product one deems defective. Returns are usually very simple.
It appears that the major reason to do so is so one has something to complain about later on internets.
Also, uneven bevel is ok. Few sharpenings later it’ll even out.
Re: New Manix 2 with Uneven Bevel
Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2024 11:54 pm
by Doc Dan
Your knife was sharpened on the day that Johnson from maintenance came by to try his hand on the grinder.
Seriously, I don't see this often, but sometimes I have. Unless it is egregious, I wouldn't worry about it. Just reset it as you normally would and use it like it was intended.
Re: New Manix 2 with Uneven Bevel
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 7:11 am
by Mat_ski
Erich wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2024 10:37 pm
Mat_ski wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2024 10:10 pm
I’m not sure why keep a product one deems defective. Returns are usually very simple.
It appears that the major reason to do so is so one has something to complain about later on internets.
Also, uneven bevel is ok. Few sharpenings later it’ll even out.
Gotta love the shills around here.
So who’s the hawker?
Re: New Manix 2 with Uneven Bevel
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 12:04 pm
by spydergoat
Erich wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2024 10:37 pm
Mat_ski wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2024 10:10 pm
I’m not sure why keep a product one deems defective. Returns are usually very simple.
It appears that the major reason to do so is so one has something to complain about later on internets.
Also, uneven bevel is ok. Few sharpenings later it’ll even out.
Gotta love the shills around here.
@Erich Why are you flaming this guy? Please review the forum rules and try not to be rude, and don't derail every thread with your complaints about Spyderco pricing and quality.
Re: New Manix 2 with Uneven Bevel
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 12:42 pm
by olditguy
Re: New Manix 2 with Uneven Bevel
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 8:52 pm
by Erich
spydergoat wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2024 12:04 pm
Erich wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2024 10:37 pm
Mat_ski wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2024 10:10 pm
I’m not sure why keep a product one deems defective. Returns are usually very simple.
It appears that the major reason to do so is so one has something to complain about later on internets.
Also, uneven bevel is ok. Few sharpenings later it’ll even out.
Gotta love the shills around here.
@Erich Why are you flaming this guy? Please review the forum rules and try not to be rude, and don't derail every thread with your complaints about Spyderco pricing and quality.
Implying that bent blades, overground edges, or crooked bevels are just a matter of perception and that the buyer should just shut up and take it because....muh Spyderco is itself insulting.
Have fun with your echo chamber. You are cheerleaders. Nothing more.
Re: New Manix 2 with Uneven Bevel
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 10:06 pm
by spydergoat
Erich wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2024 8:52 pm
spydergoat wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2024 12:04 pm
Erich wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2024 10:37 pm
Mat_ski wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2024 10:10 pm
I’m not sure why keep a product one deems defective. Returns are usually very simple.
It appears that the major reason to do so is so one has something to complain about later on internets.
Also, uneven bevel is ok. Few sharpenings later it’ll even out.
Gotta love the shills around here.
@Erich Why are you flaming this guy? Please review the forum rules and try not to be rude, and don't derail every thread with your complaints about Spyderco pricing and quality.
Implying that bent blades, overground edges, or crooked bevels are just a matter of perception and that the buyer should just shut up and take it because....muh Spyderco is itself insulting.
Have fun with your echo chamber. You are cheerleaders. Nothing more.
Nobody implied that or thinks that. But since you despise this forum and it's users... I guess you have no reason to waste your time around here then.
Re: New Manix 2 with Uneven Bevel
Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2024 6:48 am
by TkoK83Spy
Honestly Erich, why do even hang around here?? Honest question? I know I'm not a beaming ray of positivity myself, but man...you just seem miserable. Never have ANYTHING nice to say to anybody or about Spyderco. It's like hating a particular food, but you keep eating it and coming back for more...doesn't make any sense.
