Integral Compression Lock Shaman?

[Evil D]

Just a thought. Seems like an idea that would be super popular, and maybe even could be made very strong considering how thick the Shaman scales are. I'm sure it would come in fairly heavy but this already isn't a flyweight knife, I wouldn't mind the extra heft. I'd definitely prefer a steel lock face insert if possible.

[dsvirsky]

Not saying it's a bad idea, but I wouldn't buy one.

[Evil D]

Not saying it's a bad idea, but I wouldn't buy one.

Follow up question, are you a fan of the regular Shaman or is it just altogether not your thing?

[kerrcobra]

I voted yes, because I think it'd be neat to see, but I probably wouldn't buy one unless it was in an interesting steel like via a sprint or flash batch. I think it would be prohibitively expensive.

[dsvirsky]

Follow up question, are you a fan of the regular Shaman or is it just altogether not your thing?

Legit question. The Shaman seems like a solid design but, having long ago met any real need for another knife, I can't even create a perceived need for this model. It just doesn't resonate with me. I'd rather see Spyderco invest the resources in something I'd be more interested in.

[Bemo]

Would be interesting, but I don't see myself getting one. I'm sure it would sell well though as a periodic sprint. Much like dsvirsky, I don't see a need for this and would deem it more a novelty item. And I'm sure it would command a price that would further remove my curiosity.

[riclaw]

I voted no. The compression lock is a selling point for me. Many companies do frame locks well; only one company does the compression lock. I would rather see the choil-less Shaman.

[abbazaba]

I voted yes because I'd like to see this lock come to fruition, and would open the door to a fluted Ti PM2 and possibly a fluted Ti Military 2!

[Coastal]

I voted other.

The reasons I like the Shaman: 1) Contoured handle.
The reasons I don't already own a Shaman: 1) The blade is thicker than I prefer. This is pretty much a deal breaker for me, though I understand it might be perfect for other users. 2) The Shaman is priced a little too high. I have pricier knives, but they're knives I actually carry, whereas the thick-bladed Shaman would be an expensive sock-drawer queen. 3) The compression lock is not my favorite. Not a deal-breaker, but I can name a half-dozen locks I prefer, one of which is the ICL.

So, I'd definitely take a look at an ICL Shaman, but only if the blade were no thicker than 3mm. That said, I'd be interested in any Shaman with a thinner blade and, if I could have my wish, it would have a backlock.

[Manixguy@1994]

Not a bad idea but would prefer a lock back . MG2

[Evil D]

I voted yes because I'd like to see this lock come to fruition, and would open the door to a fluted Ti PM2 and possibly a fluted Ti Military 2!

A fluted titanium Shaman is a WHOLE other fantasy....those flutes on the contoured handle

[sal]

Hi Riclaw,

Welcome to our forum.

sal

[Enactive]

I like the Shaman, but would pass on an ICL version.

[Zipper]

Hello all. First post. I have no experience with this lock type and had to look up images of where it is used (ATR and Salsa). I do own 2 Shaman and am a fan of the knife, including the ability to push it harder in use. Purely as an observation, it appears this lock type would have hot spots in use (on what I see this knife designed for). Almost contradicting what the handle shape was designed for - more comfortable use.

[aaronkb]

I could be wrong, but I feel like an ICL would have terrible ergos. Has it been done before?

[Evil D]

I could be wrong, but I feel like an ICL would have terrible ergos. Has it been done before?

There was an ATR that had it.

[phaust]

Voted no under the assumptions it'd be slicker and heavier. I have a Shaman and like it for what it is.

When the Military was made into a frame lock, Spyderco made it the same strength as the standard liner lock. I imagine they'd do that the same here, so I don't think extra strength would be an added feature either (not that you need to make the regular comp lock stronger anyway).

[sal]

Hi Zipper,

Welcome to our forum.

sal

[Bolster]

Hello all. First post...

Hey Zipper. Good first post! It makes my first post look like a kindergartener's. Speaking of, I'm about to make another kindergarten level post:

So, EvilD: I am confused, not understanding something here. I thought the ICL (= integral compression lock) was like an inverted RIL (= Reeve Integral Lock, aka "framelock", like a linerlock but using frame not liner), in that it used the frame's spine area (with no scales) for lockup. But once you put scales on the knife, like the Shaman has, then aren't you dealing with the "linered" version of the lock, which is more-or-less equivalent to a standard compression lock? In order to have an ICL don't you need to have no overlay scales, just frame?

In which case, are you proposing a "naked" Shaman with just a frame handle, and no scales?

[apollo]

I voted yes because the A.T.R is one of the most amazing designs Sal ever made.
The lock is a piece of art! It would be an amazing to see it in a design like the Shaman!