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This is an awesome thread.

I am still dancing around the Pacific Salt 2 knives, pondering whether I want one and if yes what version. Sadly, I don't have the option to check them in person, so that makes it a bit harder.

Anyhow - I noticed the following when comparing the grinds of the PE and SE in LC200N and H1. With both steels the edge (judging on the width of the bevel at the tip) the SE seems to be ground thicker behind the edge (before the scallops are ground in), but on the H1 this seems to be more pronounced. I am wondering - is it just an effect of actual thickness behind the edge, or are the edge angles different and this makes the edge bevel on the SE versions wider?

I love, and have loved my multiple Pacific Salts. The somewhat frequent comments about blade play have paused my purchase of a new LC200N model. I still want one, but I want it to be solid like always.

Matus wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 10, 2022 2:26 am

This is an awesome thread.

I am still dancing around the Pacific Salt 2 knives, pondering whether I want one and if yes what version. Sadly, I don't have the option to check them in person, so that makes it a bit harder.

Anyhow - I noticed the following when comparing the grinds of the PE and SE in LC200N and H1. With both steels the edge (judging on the width of the bevel at the tip) the SE seems to be ground thicker behind the edge (before the scallops are ground in), but on the H1 this seems to be more pronounced. I am wondering - is it just an effect of actual thickness behind the edge, or are the edge angles different and this makes the edge bevel on the SE versions wider?

Pacific_Salt_Grind.JPG

I'm curious if it has anything to do with H1 being hollow ground and LC200N FFG.

JSumm wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 10, 2022 3:51 am

Matus wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 10, 2022 2:26 am

This is an awesome thread.

I am still dancing around the Pacific Salt 2 knives, pondering whether I want one and if yes what version. Sadly, I don't have the option to check them in person, so that makes it a bit harder.

Anyhow - I noticed the following when comparing the grinds of the PE and SE in LC200N and H1. With both steels the edge (judging on the width of the bevel at the tip) the SE seems to be ground thicker behind the edge (before the scallops are ground in), but on the H1 this seems to be more pronounced. I am wondering - is it just an effect of actual thickness behind the edge, or are the edge angles different and this makes the edge bevel on the SE versions wider?

Pacific_Salt_Grind.JPG

I'm curious if it has anything to do with H1 being hollow ground and LC200N FFG.

That’s a good question . Would you be able to compare at the shop you go to ? Actually have no problem staying with the H1 if I go to SE in the future . My theory is they should be identical around the pivot area , I really can’t see how that area would be different , but I could be wrong . MG2

Manixguy@1994 wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 10, 2022 4:10 am

JSumm wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 10, 2022 3:51 am

Matus wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 10, 2022 2:26 am

This is an awesome thread.

I am still dancing around the Pacific Salt 2 knives, pondering whether I want one and if yes what version. Sadly, I don't have the option to check them in person, so that makes it a bit harder.

Anyhow - I noticed the following when comparing the grinds of the PE and SE in LC200N and H1. With both steels the edge (judging on the width of the bevel at the tip) the SE seems to be ground thicker behind the edge (before the scallops are ground in), but on the H1 this seems to be more pronounced. I am wondering - is it just an effect of actual thickness behind the edge, or are the edge angles different and this makes the edge bevel on the SE versions wider?

Pacific_Salt_Grind.JPG

I'm curious if it has anything to do with H1 being hollow ground and LC200N FFG.

That’s a good question . Would you be able to compare at the shop you go to ? Actually have no problem staying with the H1 if I go to SE in the future . My theory is they should be identical around the pivot area , I really can’t see how that area would be different , but I could be wrong . MG2

My local shop doesn't have any unfortunately. We would need someone with calipers to check BTE thickness on both. You are right, pivot area should be the same.

I agree , calipers would be the proper answer to the question . I need to back to bed , I’m sleep typing ! MG2

Manixguy@1994 wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 10, 2022 4:23 am

I agree , calipers would be the proper answer to the question . I need to back to bed , I’m sleep typing ! MG2

Ha Ha. It's early where you are. I'm still on the fence. I don't need a salt knife, but like the linerless approach and love the Endura. I have a bunch of feelers out for the upcoming Stretch XL. That may be a great option for those who want the linerless, but don't need the full salt version.

Does anyone know if Spyderco plans to release a Pacific Salt 2 Wharncliffe in LC200n?

Matus wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 10, 2022 2:26 am

This is an awesome thread.

I am still dancing around the Pacific Salt 2 knives, pondering whether I want one and if yes what version. Sadly, I don't have the option to check them in person, so that makes it a bit harder.

Anyhow - I noticed the following when comparing the grinds of the PE and SE in LC200N and H1. With both steels the edge (judging on the width of the bevel at the tip) the SE seems to be ground thicker behind the edge (before the scallops are ground in), but on the H1 this seems to be more pronounced. I am wondering - is it just an effect of actual thickness behind the edge, or are the edge angles different and this makes the edge bevel on the SE versions wider?

Pacific_Salt_Grind.JPG

I have a Pac Salt 2 and Salt 2 in SE LC200N and they both have this narrow bevel when compared to my H1 models. The bad news is that it is because of the very obtuse bevel of these knives. It takes literally thousands of passes on the CBN rods to get the LC200N to the same angle as the H1 models and by then the bevels are much wider than they started out.

This phenomenon is well illustrated if you look at a UKPK Salt. These, or mine at least, are ground to a very acute angle and consequently have a wide bevel. As many have pointed out, this makes them about the sliciest SE knife available. Be alarmed, not happy when you see the narrow bevel, it will cut poorly and steer badly until a lot of work goes into reprofiling. At least, that is my experience.

Dan

R100 wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 10, 2022 3:11 pm

I have a Pac Salt 2 and Salt 2 in SE LC200N and they both have this narrow bevel when compared to my H1 models. The bad news is that it is because of the very obtuse bevel of these knives. It takes literally thousands of passes on the CBN rods to get the LC200N to the same angle as the H1 models and by then the bevels are much wider than they started out.

This phenomenon is well illustrated if you look at a UKPK Salt. These, or mine at least, are ground to a very acute angle and consequently have a wide bevel. As many have pointed out, this makes them about the sliciest SE knife available. Be alarmed, not happy when you see the narrow bevel, it will cut poorly and steer badly until a lot of work goes into reprofiling. At least, that is my experience.

Dan

Thanks a lot Dan, really appreciate this. The angle of edge bevel is indeed something one just can not judge from photos and it is not a specification that is stated anywhere.

However it also begs for a question - why is the Pac Salt in LC200N ground under a more obtuse angle that is H1. Is that an inevitable compromise to compensate for the tinner-close-to-the-edge grind of the FFG relative to the partial hollow grind?

And you also answered a question I did not even ask - how is changing the angle of the edge bevel on a sharpmaker (I only have standard brown and white rods - sadly I have sold the CBN rods as it turned out that they were to slow for this kind of job on a PE edge knife - tried to get small Sebenza from 20 to 15 deg, long story that ended on a ceramic water stone). I am considering to get the CBN rods again, but 'thousands passes' just to get the edge bevel angle I would prefer the knife would have out of the box, does not sound encouraging. But hey, I am not against finding out that H1 is the better place to start :)

Hello Matus, my H1 knives are the older first versions - Pac Salt 1 and Salt 1. I can't really speak to the edge angle on a Pac Salt 2 but I'm sure others can.

Even after the big reprofiling job on the LC200N Pac Salt 2 I far prefer my H1 Pac Salt. The difference in slicing ability is minimal and at the same edge angle I have found edge retention to be similar with the H1 being a bit more resistant to damage. The heavier hollow ground blade feels much more resistant to abuse and I prefer the balance. This knife lives in my bike jacket and has been up to any task I've put it to.

The reprofiling job is a big one and requires the CBN or diamond rods. If you don't want to deal with this I would definitely recommend the H1 Pac Salt for a larger/normal size knife and a UKPK Salt as a smaller knife. That way you get all the benefits of SE without the work. If you don't need to reprofile, the Spyderco ceramic rods work perfectly to maintain a hair popping edge with minimal work.

Dan

Thank you again Dan, it really helps to know what to expect. I am starting to lean towards the H1 Pac Salt.

I can back up everything Dan said.

I tried the LC versions and while they're nice, I've come to prefer the H1's. They're still very light and cut well, and I don't see a drastic edge holding difference between the two, especially SE.

The H1's feel a little better when opening and closing due to the heavier blade. The tip feels more robust.

They're both really nice knives that fill my EDC role perfectly, but if I buy any more Pacific Salts it'll be H1 versions.

vivi wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 10, 2022 6:03 pm

I can back up everything Dan said.

I tried the LC versions and while they're nice, I've come to prefer the H1's. They're still very light and cut well, and I don't see a drastic edge holding difference between the two, especially SE.

The H1's feel a little better when opening and closing due to the heavier blade. The tip feels more robust.

They're both really nice knives that fill my EDC role perfectly, but if I buy any more Pacific Salts it'll be H1 versions.

I couldn’t agree more , if you had asked me that question a month ago I would have said no way . I have grown to like the Pacific Salt H1 very much . Definitely see a SE model in my future and also want to add a Dragonfly SE instead of my PE into my daily carry .I need to explore SE in the near future. Thanks for all your assistance vivi . MG2

i think i said this already, but i also had edge damage (slight rolling) on my se caribbean while my pacific salt in se h1 had no damage on the same material. it may have been a fluke, or a problem with the way i made the cut, but it happened and it's a data point.

i'm not getting rid of my caribbean any time soon because it's a great knife, but i also generally prefer h1 with a hollow grind and serrations over a flat-ground lc200n with serrations.

Because of this thread I replaced the LC200N with the H1 on my candidate SE list.

I just picked up an LC200N PAC Salt. It is the perfect knife for gardening. The length allows me to get around thorny berry bushes and I am not worried about hosing it down when I am done. The visibility is also clutch for finding it when i put it down .

It is so light and easy to handle for a knife of its size. I really like the little dip that it has on the backlock button as well as the smooth frn under the pocket clip. The subtle details of the knife are great. The Clip and back spacer is a different material from the Native Salt (golden ) . I first noticed this on the 3 inch salt and now the pac salt. It is a lighter material that seems a bit more textured. Does anyone know if the native salt and the seki salts use the same type of metal for the clip and spacer?

The seki salt hourglass clips are titanium. Caribbeans clip is also titanium.
Im pretty sure the native salt clip is dlc coated stainless. Its definitely magnetic.

I also think all of spydercos wire clips are stainless as well.

The backspacer on the seki salts isnt actually a backspacer since its a 2 piece handle and not a 2 piece handle plus a backspacer. You may just be feeling the difference between Seki frn and Golden frn/frcp.

Thanks. The titanium clips are really nice and lightweight.

VooDooChild wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 22, 2022 9:10 am

The seki salt hourglass clips are titanium. Caribbeans clip is also titanium.
Im pretty sure the native salt clip is dlc coated stainless. Its definitely magnetic.

I also think all of spydercos wire clips are stainless as well.

The backspacer on the seki salts isnt actually a backspacer since its a 2 piece handle and not a 2 piece handle plus a backspacer. You may just be feeling the difference between Seki frn and Golden frn/frcp.

Do you think the Pacific Salt clip in Titanium is also DLC ? MG2