Will there be a MagnaCut backlash?

[Bolster]

Wife baked a ham last night and being the dork that I am, stood in the kitchen cutting off chunks of it with my mule. On one cut the blade went through so quick that I banged the edge on the baking pan pretty hard and I expected to see a flat spot on the edge somewhere but it didn't effect it at all. That's the kind of real world stuff I want to see an edge withstand. If I baton a brick in half I go into that expecting damage but it's really nice knowing that it's less likely to roll or chip from this sort of everyday mishap.

Ah, the infamous ham test. Glad you passed, and that your wife didn't defenestrate you from the kitchen.

[ladybug93]

Wife baked a ham last night and being the dork that I am, stood in the kitchen cutting off chunks of it with my mule. On one cut the blade went through so quick that I banged the edge on the baking pan pretty hard and I expected to see a flat spot on the edge somewhere but it didn't effect it at all. That's the kind of real world stuff I want to see an edge withstand. If I baton a brick in half I go into that expecting damage but it's really nice knowing that it's less likely to roll or chip from this sort of everyday mishap.

Ah, the infamous ham test. Glad you passed, and that your wife didn't defenestrate you from the kitchen.

haphazard ham hewing

[Xformer]

So superior in thoughness, but what about the rest ? Corrosion resistance and ease of sharpening ?

Read the article.

https://knifesteelnerds.com/2021/03/25/cpm-magnacut/

I've tried to but I'm far from being knowledgable enough. I don't understand 1/10 of it.

I'd prefer a simple answer : How does it compare to s30v or s45vn ? In thoughness, edge retention, corrosion resistance and ease of sharpening.

This graph shows that MagnaCut was able to absorb more energy before breaking with impact testing. This translates to MagnaCut being tougher than all the other PM stainless steels even at higher hardness including s30v/s45vn which is rather exciting.



This graph shows that MagnaCut didn't cut as much as s30v and s45vn in slicing edge retention. So, the s30v/s45vn edge cut more in a controlled cut test.

Real world use will vary depending how sharp the knives are before starting, geometry, what and how they are being used and what the main dulling mechanism is such as blunting, chipping, rolling etc

This is why it's important to see how things stack in a controlled environment yet also factor in real world use. The end user is perhaps the biggest variable of all.



This picture shows that MagnaCut developed less rust, so MagnaCut is more stainless than a majority of stainless steels including M390 and s30v/s45vn.



In my testing, the MagnaCut is very durable and took less damage than 1095 when batoning a nail at the same edge angle despite being harder.


MagnaCut sharpens easier than s30v/s45vn.

The structure is very fine.

Big thanks.

Sounds like a miracle steel. That's the steel I've waited for. I use my knife quite hard at work and I've broke some Spyderco blade rocking s30v before. I hate rust on my blade since I also use my knife to cut sandwiches and my two daily apples at work... I also hate sharpening. I'm excited

Can't wait to see an updated PM2 rocking it.

[Fireman]

There may be a ripple of discontent if the Rockwell is not at the higher to add edge retention. This is a new steel and it may take manufacturers a few years to optimize their heat treats.

[JRinFL]

Wife baked a ham last night and being the dork that I am, stood in the kitchen cutting off chunks of it with my mule. On one cut the blade went through so quick that I banged the edge on the baking pan pretty hard and I expected to see a flat spot on the edge somewhere but it didn't effect it at all. That's the kind of real world stuff I want to see an edge withstand. If I baton a brick in half I go into that expecting damage but it's really nice knowing that it's less likely to roll or chip from this sort of everyday mishap.

Ah, the infamous ham test. Glad you passed, and that your wife didn't defenestrate you from the kitchen.

If Larrin does not add ham testing to his charts, can we really call him a scientist?

[Tgmr05]

Having a salt type steel that holds an edge longer than previous salt steels will be quite nice. The native 5 salt switch to magnacut should really help showcase the balanced steel and somewhat assist with the inevitable backlash from folks that will cut 6k feet of cardboard and lots of rope before being hammered through nails and shaving copper.

Brilliant choice to switch steels.

[Evil D]

Wife baked a ham last night and being the dork that I am, stood in the kitchen cutting off chunks of it with my mule. On one cut the blade went through so quick that I banged the edge on the baking pan pretty hard and I expected to see a flat spot on the edge somewhere but it didn't effect it at all. That's the kind of real world stuff I want to see an edge withstand. If I baton a brick in half I go into that expecting damage but it's really nice knowing that it's less likely to roll or chip from this sort of everyday mishap.

Ah, the infamous ham test. Glad you passed, and that your wife didn't defenestrate you from the kitchen.

If Larrin does not add ham testing to his charts, can we really call him a scientist?

Sorry it's just not apples to apples comparison. Too many variables. What quality is the ham being cut? What temperature was it baked at and for how long? Brown sugar glazed? How many times was it basted? Bone in ham or processed? Geez man think like an actual scientist for once.

[JRinFL]

Wife baked a ham last night and being the dork that I am, stood in the kitchen cutting off chunks of it with my mule. On one cut the blade went through so quick that I banged the edge on the baking pan pretty hard and I expected to see a flat spot on the edge somewhere but it didn't effect it at all. That's the kind of real world stuff I want to see an edge withstand. If I baton a brick in half I go into that expecting damage but it's really nice knowing that it's less likely to roll or chip from this sort of everyday mishap.

Ah, the infamous ham test. Glad you passed, and that your wife didn't defenestrate you from the kitchen.

If Larrin does not add ham testing to his charts, can we really call him a scientist?

Sorry it's just not apples to apples comparison. Too many variables. What quality is the ham being cut? What temperature was it baked at and for how long? Brown sugar glazed? How many times was it basted? Bone in ham or processed? Geez man think like an actual scientist for once.

I guess he will have to use lab grown "pork cubes" as the test medium.

[bearfacedkiller]

Great expectations lead to great disappointments.

[Pokey]

Bacon should be the gold standard. How many strips of thick cut Canadian bacon can it cut? Problem is, the testing wouldn’t be accurate. A lot of it would be eaten during testing.

[bearfacedkiller]

But Canadian bacon isn’t actually bacon. It’s just ham. Or is it just thin sliced loin? I don’t even know what it is but I know it isn’t bacon.

[Joshua J.]

It's human nature, after expecting something wonderful and new, to be disappointed with the reality, which is never as perfect as the mind can imagine.

Do you think we will see a MagnaCut backlash after it's widely available? If not a backlash, perhas a lot of "meh" or "I've seen better" responses?

Or, do you think most owners of MagnaCut will be blown away by its performance? Will it become "THE" new knife steel by popular demand?

Or, do you think most new MagnaCutters will have a rational view of it as a well-balanced steel that excels within its particular niche?

I'm expecting option 3 from THIS crowd, but I'm curious what'll happen out there amongst the masses.

I think the backlash of expectations should be minimal because we already have similar steel types, CruWear is well known at this point so if anyone has any questions about the performance of MagnaCut they should just buy a knife made of CruWear, and then wait to buy a similar knife for use in the Kitchen or around water.
Or if you don't think stain resistance is important just use CruWear and don't look back (personally I'll take K390 for folders not in MagnaCut).

[Bolster]

If Larrin does not add ham testing to his charts, can we really call him a scientist?

Exactly so. I've always been suspicious of his so-called "science" since not even a footnote is devoted to ham testing.

Perhaps MagnaCut will produce a winnowing of steels in use. We have so many currently, but if MagnaCut outperforms, say, 20 other steels, then maybe those steels will recede in use and popularity. Maybe MagnaCut will decimate knife steel variety. That might be what happens when you get "the one steel to rule them all," if the marketplace of hobbits perceives it as such.

[Evil D]

If Larrin does not add ham testing to his charts, can we really call him a scientist?

Exactly so. I've always been suspicious of his so-called "science" since not even a footnote is devoted to ham testing.

Perhaps MagnaCut will produce a winnowing of steels in use. We have so many currently, but if MagnaCut outperforms, say, 20 other steels, then maybe those steels will recede in use and popularity. Maybe MagnaCut will decimate knife steel variety. That might be what happens when you get "the one steel to rule them all," if the marketplace of hobbits perceives it as such.

It seems like this was S30V for a very long time and VG10 before that, not even just with Spyderco. S30V is still a premium top tier steel with a lot of companies. There's already so many similar steels that most of us couldn't tell apart in blind testing, maybe this will be the cream that rises to the top.

[Larrin]

Not even a mention of what breed of pig will be used for the testing? Has to have the proper amount of marbling like Mangalica or Iberico.

[JRinFL]

Not even a mention of what breed of pig will be used for the testing? Has to have the proper amount of marbling like Mangalica or Iberico.

Mangalica, of course. Cannot pass up an alliteration opportunity with MagnaCut.

[Bolster]

Not even a mention of what breed of pig will be used for the testing? Has to have the proper amount of marbling like Mangalica or Iberico.

Mangalica, of course. Cannot pass up an alliteration opportunity with MagnaCut.

I thought that was gonna be Larrin's next steel: Manga-Cut.

[TkoK83Spy]

Not even a mention of what breed of pig will be used for the testing? Has to have the proper amount of marbling like Mangalica or Iberico.

Mangalica, of course. Cannot pass up an alliteration opportunity with MagnaCut.

I thought that was gonna be Larrin's next steel: Manga-Cut.

I would have thought "Larrinite" for sure

[Bolster]

I would have thought "Larrinite" for sure

LOL. Now now, Tko, stirring the pot, are you? I know what you're doing...and I'm gonna behave like a gentleman this time

[TkoK83Spy]

I would have thought "Larrinite" for sure

LOL. Now now, Tko, stirring the pot, are you? I know what you're doing...and I'm gonna behave like a gentleman this time

Hahahah