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JSumm wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 28, 2023 4:39 pm

I gotcha. Yeah I'm wondering if they are making the current FFG Delica with a thinner blade stock or just adding a Hollow Grind to the FFG Delica. Either would be fine by mean. I think the current thin stock FFG is already pretty thin, and a Hollow Grind added to that would be something similar to the Centofante blade I believe.

Really the Salt 2 in H2 with Hollow Grind is already available (similar to the saber grind with a shallow HG), but I definitely wouldn't call it high performance from a grind standpoint. But even if they leave the Delica FFG the way it is and add a Hollow Grind to that, I would still be very interested.

In fact, I'd go as far as to say (and have) that the UKPK, Caly 3 or any other leaf, or more conventional drop point shaped blade would have been a better starting point for making a true HHG testbed, but the Delica is a more widely carried and admired platform, so it's almost certainly a better "Mule-ish" knife for the exercise.

The PE Dragonfly Salt already sports a pretty darned high hollow grind, but H1/H2 isn't really the steel to take best advantage of that ...would have been very simple to just make that blade in VG-10, but again; Delica probably has a much bigger user base and has a longer edge for optimal sliciness.

As far as the Centofante goes, I'm not certain if the grind line goes higher than the Delica Saber grind, but the blade stock *is* thinner, so the net result is less binding in the cut. It also has an ideal blade shape for allowing a simple hollow grind to extend all the way to the tip. I'm a fan and thankful that it remains in the line!

If this project bears fruit, then my wish for a second stage experiment would be to apply as high a hollow grind to the Manix as is practical and to make it in something like MagnaCut, AEBL, or 4V.

awa54 wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 28, 2023 5:09 pm

If this project bears fruit, then my wish for a second stage experiment would be to apply as high a hollow grind to the Manix as is practical and to make it in something like MagnaCut, AEBL, or 4V.

a manix ground like a gb2 would be really sweet.

Do we actually know if this will ever make it to production?

Sal said he was carrying a prototype at one point. That was a while ago. Guess it depends on production capacity.

Patience is a virtue.

Concerning the grind of the hp Delica:

No time to browse the whole thread right now, but I believe it was said to have a high hollow grind - so the hollow portion goes up higher on the blade before the "sabre portion" starts than let's say on a Salt 2.

Anyway: After a recent purch I am down to "just" 14 Spydercos (folders, plus one Waterway fixed blade Spydie) and want to try to pretty much stick to that number at least for a good while.
This hp Delica though as I imagine it to be definitely will have to be added to the quiver.
Could be the best small EDC folder ever for me!!

steelcity16 wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 28, 2023 2:54 pm

ZrowsN1s wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 28, 2023 12:09 pm

I did all I could to support the Wharncliffe Delica. I think I've got a 4:1 ratio of Wharncliffe to Leaf shape delicas. A design still ahead of it's time I guess.

Same here. I have about 8 user delica/salt wharnies on top of the manbug, dfly, and endela wharnies. plus now a handful of backups of the LNC200N Salt Wharnies and K390 Delica Wharnies. A Delica Wharnie has been in my pocket a good 95% of days in the past two years now. Sad to see it.

Seriously. The Delica Wharncliffe, when you use it, is quite the tool, to say the least. I know sales dictate production, but if these Wharncliffes are gone forever, it is a real shame.

It really is.

steelcity16 wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 28, 2023 2:54 pm

ZrowsN1s wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 28, 2023 12:09 pm

I did all I could to support the Wharncliffe Delica. I think I've got a 4:1 ratio of Wharncliffe to Leaf shape delicas. A design still ahead of it's time I guess.

Same here. I have about 8 user delica/salt wharnies on top of the manbug, dfly, and endela wharnies. plus now a handful of backups of the LNC200N Salt Wharnies and K390 Delica Wharnies. A Delica Wharnie has been in my pocket a good 95% of days in the past two years now. Sad to see it.

My most carried is a VG10 wharnie Delica in spyderedge. It performs like a champ. It does everything I need and more. I am surprised they are discontinued but I guess the average user just doesn’t “understand” this blade shape, serrations included. I bought three of them so I am covered. It’s time for a plain edge wharnie Delica in K390. I have the feeling that in a few years, the wharnie Delicas will be very sought after. It happened the same with the wharnie Centofante. It was discoed and now people are begging for a come back.

The Kiwi series had only a short mourning period on the forum

While I love the form factor of my Kiwi 4, the HT on Moki's VG-10 doesn't support the low bevel angle that blade is begging to have applied.

I think the problem with the wharncliffe blade shape is that it is really only maximized for utility, or self defense purposes. It lacks the versatility that many users value in a true EDC pocket knife. Many folks use their pocket knives for food prep/processing and "outdoor" purposes and appreciate the multifunctionality of a more bellied blade shape. The wharncliffe blade shape is much more an AFI oriented blade shape, than a blade shape that gels with the broad market at large. The average person would rather drop ~$20 on a utility knife/box cutter, some spare blades, and call it a tool. I think the shape is geared better toward smaller knives (like the Delica and smaller).

The wharncliffe format is still available for those who want to pick up as many back-ups as they want. I'm much more looking forward to this non-wharncliffe high performance Delica.

weeping minora wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 29, 2023 8:56 pm

I think the shape is geared better toward smaller knives (like the Delica and smaller).

I agree. When I feel like carrying something bigger than a Delica, I go with my leaf Endelas or Enduras. I have some Wharnie Endelas, but I like the leaf better in that size. And despite the Delica Wharnie being my all time favorite model, I still never felt the want/need to purchase an Endura Wharnie. It just seemed out of place on a knife that size.

When I carry my Delicas, it is almost always the Wharnies I grab. The Dfly Wharnie and Manbug Wharnies are both great as well, especially the Manbug. It is on all of my keychains.

I'm still hoping for a k390 Police Wharncliffe

ZrowsN1s wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 30, 2023 2:54 pm

I'm still hoping for a k390 Police Wharncliffe

based on what we're seeing with the disco list, that could probably contend for the worst-selling spyderco of all time. i do agree it would be really sweet though.

ZrowsN1s wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 30, 2023 2:54 pm

I'm still hoping for a k390 Police Wharncliffe

SE or PE?

weeping minora wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 29, 2023 8:56 pm

I think the problem with the wharncliffe blade shape is that it is really only maximized for utility, or self defense purposes. It lacks the versatility that many users value in a true EDC pocket knife. Many folks use their pocket knives for food prep/processing and "outdoor" purposes and appreciate the multifunctionality of a more bellied blade shape. The wharncliffe blade shape is much more an AFI oriented blade shape, than a blade shape that gels with the broad market at large. The average person would rather drop ~$20 on a utility knife/box cutter, some spare blades, and call it a tool. I think the shape is geared better toward smaller knives (like the Delica and smaller).

The wharncliffe format is still available for those who want to pick up as many back-ups as they want. I'm much more looking forward to this non-wharncliffe high performance Delica.

While the Vikings definitely agreed with you on the subject of self defense, I think they'd be unimpressed by a Delica sized Seax/Sax/Scramsax

ladybug93 wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 30, 2023 4:02 pm

ZrowsN1s wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 30, 2023 2:54 pm

I'm still hoping for a k390 Police Wharncliffe

based on what we're seeing with the disco list, that could probably contend for the worst-selling spyderco of all time. i do agree it would be really sweet though.

You're not wrong, but the heart wants what the heart wants.


Awa54 PE. But why not both?

ZrowsN1s wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 30, 2023 4:48 pm

But why not both?

Well the Reveal is out and.........

awa54 wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 01, 2023 10:13 pm

Well the Reveal is out and.........

David, I thought someone had kidnapped you! You're back!

awa54 wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 01, 2023 10:13 pm

Well the Reveal is out and.........

Yeah, it’s such a huge disappointment for me … I was quite sure they are going to reveal the hp Delica this time. Bummer…