High Performance Delica Excitement

[ZrowsN1s]

How is this gonna be sold? Like a sprint?

No idea. I imagine like a flash batch or sprint.

[Wartstein]

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Just to check myself, is the current production saber grind vg-10 delica the high performance one from this thread.
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The current sabre grind Delica certainly is a cool, super-strong beater knife (I have one myself in combo-edge - can´t kill that blade and especially the extremely durable tip, despite it has just 2.5 mm bladestock)

BUT: I think when it comes to super-slicing-performance it is rather the opposite of what a high and deep (sabre) hollow ground Delica will be...

[sethwm]

BUT: I think when it comes to super-slicing-performance it is rather the opposite of what a high and deep (sabre) hollow ground Delica will be...

Interesting. What do you mean by opposite?

[sethwm]

How is this gonna be sold? Like a sprint?

No idea. I imagine like a flash batch or sprint.

Hope it’s not going to be another magnet for flippers.

[Wartstein]

BUT: I think when it comes to super-slicing-performance it is rather the opposite of what a high and deep (sabre) hollow ground Delica will be...

Interesting. What do you mean by opposite?

Just that the sabre grind Delica is a lot, but not exactly "slicey" or it least does not offer a good foundation for this (rather low sabre grind,obtuse primary bevel)

[Ramonade]

The excitement is still here!
I'm excited everyday, just not always by this Delica!

[awa54]

Seems like the excitement may have waned a bit
...and here I'd been hoping for some fresh information (or at least better informed conjecture) after months of not checking the thread

[awa54]

[awa54]

Unless there have been Sal bombshells dropped elsewhere regarding the HP Delica, it sure looks like the project has been shelved, or at the least put deeply in to back burner territory.

This makes me sad, since a Delica sized Spyderco with a blade grind akin to the GB1 would be a glorious thing!
Fingers crossed that it still happens, but not really holding my breath either...


I think it's entirely possible that the hitch has turned out to be the blade shape of the Delica, which would force a lower than ideal grind height in order to maintain stock thickness past the mid-point of the blade (just look at the sabre grind versions for reference). A drop point (or even leaf shaped) blade would probably make a much better platform for this project.
Even just switching to the Salt 2 blade shape would give more area to extend the grind height, without compromising the tip for moderately rugged use and that would likely entail only a minor redesign.

Even simpler, release a Dragonfly in VG-10 with the grind from the Salt variant... it's not a Delica, but certainly a high hollow grind in a smaller blade, that could probably be made entirely on existing tooling. If people love that knife and there seems to be sufficient demand, then all the issues with a Delica-esque version could be addressed.

[twinboysdad]

Unless there have been Sal bombshells dropped elsewhere regarding the HP Delica, it sure looks like the project has been shelved, or at the least put deeply in to back burner territory.

This makes me sad, since a Delica sized Spyderco with a blade grind akin to the GB1 would be a glorious thing!
Fingers crossed that it still happens, but not really holding my breath either...


I think it's entirely possible that the hitch has turned out to be the blade shape of the Delica, which would force a lower than ideal grind height in order to maintain stock thickness past the mid-point of the blade (just look at the sabre grind versions for reference). A drop point (or even leaf shaped) blade would probably make a much better platform for this project.
Even just switching to the Salt 2 blade shape would give more area to extend the grind height, without compromising the tip for moderately rugged use and that would likely entail only a minor redesign.

Even simpler, release a Dragonfly in VG-10 with the grind from the Salt variant... it's not a Delica, but certainly a high hollow grind in a smaller blade, that could probably be made entirely on existing tooling. If people love that knife and there seems to be sufficient demand, then all the issues with a Delica-esque version could be addressed.

Not trying to be a stir stick but this should be easy as heck for the factory considering you are taking a base model, with base FRN, and base VG10 (which I love) and simply adding a more complicated grind. Nothing additional beyond skill and labor is required. Really no reason a few hundred of these aren’t in the works as we speak. Any of us could take a Saber model to a bladesmith and get it done and many here can do it themselves.

[Cl1ff]

I don’t see why there’s any concern.
Things take a little time, that’s all.

I’m certainly still interested.

[ZrowsN1s]

I don’t see why there’s any concern.
Things take a little time, that’s all.

I’m certainly still interested.

Me too.

It'll get here when it gets here.

[p_atrick]

Unless there have been Sal bombshells dropped elsewhere regarding the HP Delica, it sure looks like the project has been shelved, or at the least put deeply in to back burner territory...

Has there been mention of this taking longer than expected or running into some kind of problems? I know the K390 to VG10 change was made due to an unexpected issue from the maker.

Running an advanced search, I found this post (6 July 2021) where Sal said he is testing one. And another one (13 August 2021) where it sounds like the HP Delica is still progressing.

Did I miss something where production is, as you say, shelved or put on the deep back burner? This is one I've been hoping for. The second link from above mentioned the HP Delica in the same sentence as the Ayoob and Damasteel Urban. Guess it was wishful thinking that because two of the three knives mentioned are out that the HP Delica would be following shortly.

[skeeg11]

Sal's initial concept of a high performance high hollow ground K390 Delica definitely caught my attention. I have long held a deep appreciation for well executed high hollow grinds like Dozier, Scott Cook, or even Sebenza. When Sal said the manufacturer would not (unwilling/unable?) do a high hollow grind in K390 it was like a cold shower. At this point it would seem that if you want a high performance high hollow ground folder in a modern high performance steel, you will have to look elsewhere. I hope that once the Golden extension is done and they are caught up that they will be able to address this deficit and turn out models with high hollow grinds in high performance contemporary steels.

[twinboysdad]

Sal's initial concept of a high performance high hollow ground K390 Delica definitely caught my attention. I have long held a deep appreciation for well executed high hollow grinds like Dozier, Scott Cook, or even Sebenza. When Sal said the manufacturer would not (unwilling/unable?) do a high hollow grind in K390 it was like a cold shower. At this point it would seem that if you want a high performance high hollow ground folder in a modern high performance steel, you will have to look elsewhere. I hope that once the Golden extension is done and they are caught up that they will be able to address this deficit and turn out models with high hollow grinds in high performance contemporary steels.

Make it in VG10?

[skeeg11]

Sal's initial concept of a high performance high hollow ground K390 Delica definitely caught my attention. I have long held a deep appreciation for well executed high hollow grinds like Dozier, Scott Cook, or even Sebenza. When Sal said the manufacturer would not (unwilling/unable?) do a high hollow grind in K390 it was like a cold shower. At this point it would seem that if you want a high performance high hollow ground folder in a modern high performance steel, you will have to look elsewhere. I hope that once the Golden extension is done and they are caught up that they will be able to address this deficit and turn out models with high hollow grinds in high performance contemporary steels.

Make it in VG10?

VG-10 is/was their default plan. VG-10 is a mighty fine knife steel; however, in this day and age, it no longer has the ring of top tier or upper echelon super steel to embrace the descriptor "high performance" in the mind of the average Joe.

[Evil D]

VG-10 is/was their default plan. VG-10 is a mighty fine knife steel; however, in this day and age, it no longer has the ring of top tier or upper echelon super steel to embrace the descriptor "high performance" in the mind of the average Joe.

I think it places the emphasis more on the blade grind performance, and I think that's the entire point of this idea isn't it? If they're trying to show the advantage of a higher performance grind, then making two Delicas of the same steel but with different grinds makes a fair comparison.

Not saying I wouldn't welcome a different steel but I see value in doing it in VG10 too.

[elena86]

I don’t care about the steel, just make it happen. In fact I am glad they dropped the K390, not because I don’t like the steel but because I am tired of taking care if my folders to prevent corrosion. I would use non-stainless steels only in fixed blades.

[sal]

Hi Awa,

Funny you would bring that up. It was yesterday that we contacted the maker on the model. It's not a matter of "how long the model takes". The maker is also very busy and running at capacity. Mostly making existing models that are also growing in demand. So we're constantly adjusting priorities on models on the "hold" queue. We just asked for the 2023 price on the HP Delica model and we'll be moving it forward in the next few weeks. It will still take a while before you get them, but you will get them. Also it's just a sprint so I'll need to pick quantity in the next few days. Thoughts?

sal

[Crox]

2000

No justification.

Lots of excitement.