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Byrd Wharncliffe
Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:26 am
by Sonorum
With all the wharncliffe variants we have in the Spyderco lineup, wouldn't it be feasible to have some in the Byrd line as well? I really like wharncliffes as work knives but sometimes you don't want to do dirty work with an expensive knife. I know we have the sheepsfoot rescue models but I feel like the behaviour of a wharncliffe is different to a sheepsfoot.
Just a thought! If they sell well as spydercos maybe the could sell well as byrds too.
Re: Byrd Wharncliffe
Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 8:43 pm
by sal
Hi Sonorum,
I'll pitch your request. byrds are getting more popular of late.
What models in what priority? Plain / serrated? I'm assuming lite wts. As a user of byrd models, what do you think would serve you best?
sal
Re: Byrd Wharncliffe
Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 12:13 am
by Sonorum
sal wrote: ↑Mon Jul 06, 2020 8:43 pm
Hi Sonorum,
I'll pitch your request. byrds are getting more popular of late.
What models in what priority? Plain / serrated? I'm assuming lite wts. As a user of byrd models, what do you think would serve you best?
sal
Hi Sal!
As always, good to hear from the great man himself!
Well, I use a Byrd Hawkbill and a SE Delica wharncliffe at work and at home I always have a Dragonfly wharncliffe in my back pocket to complement whatever else I'm carrying. HI haven't had the opportunity to try any larger wharncliffes so I can't say much about those but I'm sure other people can pitch in on that. I'll have to try the Rock jumper soon.
A Meadowlark would be my first pick. I really like serrations and especially the shallower serrations of the Hawkbill so I certainly would be interested in a serrated option. Combo edge wouldn't be for me. Yes preferably lightweight versions!
As a side note, how come there are so few fully SE Byrds? Are combo edges more attractive to users in this price range somehow? I feel like it puts a "cheap" vibe rather than a "value" vibe to the Byrds which is very far from the truth. That's highly subjective of course!
Regards,
David from Sweden
Re: Byrd Wharncliffe
Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2020 4:50 pm
by Ngati Pom
I would like to second this.
A byrd wharncliffe would be a must buy for me both PE and SE.
I have the Meadowlark and Cara Cara in leaf and Rescue forms and tend to carry the serrated edges more. For me a Serrated Meadowlark or Harrier would be perfect size wise and if it could be done on a FFG would be even better... :)
Like the OP I’m not a fan of CE. Although if the serrations were at the distal part of the blade with a plain section closest to the handle (Similar to Victorinox) with a two third SE one third PE split I think it would be useful.
Sorry Sonorum, not trying to derail your post.
Re: Byrd Wharncliffe
Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2020 6:43 pm
by sal
Sounds good to me.
sal
Re: Byrd Wharncliffe
Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:15 am
by carrot
It'd be nice to test a single run of Rescue Cara Cara with SE at the tip and PE towards the handle. That'd finally give us afi a chance to try out a reverse CE like we've been aching for. (I really like the Rescue Cara SE, highly underrated.)
I think the "wharncliffe leaf" of the D4/E4 series is nice but maybe we can try a more angular, less rounded taper for the Byrds, more similar to the Rescue with the eye bulge and straight taper, but with more point at the end. I'm almost thinking reverse tanto for the change of pace. I'd be most keen to see the Harrier LW with it first, before reaching into Meadowlark and Cara Cara. That would give the Harrier LW more opportunity to shine, since it's newest, plus utilizing the improved FRN scales. SE and PE variants are a must.
Re: Byrd Wharncliffe
Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:15 pm
by Sonorum
Oh yes, obviously the Harrier would be a great option as well. The Endela is a favourite and both seems to be great sizes. I will probably get a Rockjumper to be able to get a wharncliffe in that size!
Regarding blade shape, personally I want it to be functional first of all, good looking secondly. With that being said I wouldn't be adverse to a Byrd wharncliffe having a different shape to a Spyderco, such as a reverse tanto. It could be a distinguishing feature in much the same vane as the different opening holes which could be cool. Maybe like the Canis? But not with the weird grind of course.
If 8cr13mov or cts bd1 could manage a full flat grind it would be great!
Re: Byrd Wharncliffe
Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 1:29 am
by Ngati Pom
It would be nice to see a reverse tanto Wharncliffe, do you see it as similar to the Kahr arms Delica?
I don’t know whether you have seen it but there is a photoshopped Meadowlark Wharncliffe in the ‘What would you like to see next from Byrd?‘
It’s on page 3.
Re: Byrd Wharncliffe
Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 5:15 am
by Sonorum
Ngati Pom wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 1:29 am
It would be nice to see a reverse tanto Wharncliffe, do you see it as similar to the Kahr arms Delica?
I don’t know whether you have seen it but there is a photoshopped Meadowlark Wharncliffe in the ‘What would you like to see next from Byrd?‘
It’s on page 3.
That looks exactly like what I would like! If I ever get a bit of spare time (I have a 3 week old child) I'd want to photoshop a Harrier 2 with a similar blade.
For the record, I don't care a lot about whether it looks like a Delica wharncliffe or anything else... I just want a wharncliffe that I can abuse without feeling too guilty. Can't really afford to destroy Delicas regularly :p
Re: Byrd Wharncliffe
Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 7:17 am
by Sonorum
I had to quote this in here because it is a really good picture.
Uke wrote: ↑Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:51 pm
Uke wrote: ↑Fri Sep 07, 2018 1:09 pm
My vote would be for a wharncliffe Meadowlark 2.
With khaki FRN just like the Kahr Arms Delica...my dream Byrd.
Decided to photoshop this one up...
Re: Byrd Wharncliffe
Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:27 am
by Ngati Pom
For the record, I don't care a lot about whether it looks like a Delica wharncliffe or anything else... I just want a wharncliffe that I can abuse without feeling too guilty. Can't really afford to destroy Delicas regularly :p
This is my way of justifying it too. :)
An affordable, do everything workhorse with :spyder: DNA. (Plus the choil) :D
Re: Byrd Wharncliffe
Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:46 pm
by Enactive
Sonorum wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 7:17 am
I had to quote this in here because it is a really good picture.
Uke wrote: ↑Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:51 pm
Uke wrote: ↑Fri Sep 07, 2018 1:09 pm
My vote would be for a wharncliffe Meadowlark 2.
With khaki FRN just like the Kahr Arms Delica...my dream Byrd.
Decided to photoshop this one up...
That looks excellent! Would definitely buy. FFG SE and PE would rock.
Re: Byrd Wharncliffe
Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2020 1:31 pm
by Sonorum
I've done some thinking regarding Sals question about which knife I would want to see in a wharncliffe version. Now that I've reflected a bit I think the Harrier 2 lightweight would be great.
It feels like the road forward with it's new frn molds. Upon reflection I also noticed that I use the Delica wharncliffe because that is sort of the size that exists, I much more prefer the Endela size.
...but I would buy ANY Byrd wharncliffe you guys would make. Please just make it serrated and full flat ground.
picture borrowed from knife works
Re: Byrd Wharncliffe
Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2020 2:22 pm
by sal
I'm working on 3.
sal
Re: Byrd Wharncliffe
Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2020 11:25 pm
by Sonorum
sal wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 2:22 pm
I'm working on 3.
sal
Well :D I'll just have to check out three then!
Sometimes being in the Spyderco forums can make you feel like a spoiled child pointing at something you want. But it is absolutely amazing that one can influence the production of something that I absolutely can not make myself.
Re: Byrd Wharncliffe
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 4:55 pm
by skeeg11
sal wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 2:22 pm
I'm working on 3.
sal
Hi Sal---
That's fantastic news. Any hint as to what sizes and will they all be available in fully serrated edge?
Re: Byrd Wharncliffe
Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 11:35 am
by sal
Hi Skeeg,
The "3" is now "4".
Robin, Meadowlark, Harrier 2 and Cara Cara. All will include teeth.
sal
Re: Byrd Wharncliffe
Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 12:34 pm
by Sonorum
sal wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 11:35 am
Hi Skeeg,
The "3" is now "4".
Robin, Meadowlark, Harrier 2 and Cara Cara. All will include teeth.
sal
That's so cool! I'll continue on the "any hints" thread with a question: Is a full flat ground blade feasible with 8cr13mov?
Re: Byrd Wharncliffe
Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:31 pm
by skeeg11
sal wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 11:35 am
Hi Skeeg,
The "3" is now "4".
Robin, Meadowlark, Harrier 2 and Cara Cara. All will include teeth.
sal
Fantastico!!! All kinds of excited. May have to get a complete set. G-10 or FRN?
Re: Byrd Wharncliffe
Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:40 pm
by Steeltoez83
I'm so on board for the cara Cara. Been itching for a fully serrated model and this will fit the bill nicely.