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Sprints

Postby Shane77 » Thu Jan 16, 2020 12:52 pm

Hello Spyderco Forums
Long time lurker, first time poster of a new topic, well the topic is no where near new, but..
I just wanted to say first off that I always loved the idea of sprints, I missed out on a lot, but I also have some good scores in the collection. And at first I was a little upset with Nick Shabazz 's rant against them. But after seeing the newest reveal, I do feel like its getting a bit out of hand, maybe I'm wrong, but I was thinking that since the conception of the sprint run the community has grown so much, that maybe it would work out for everyone if the minimum number of each sprint was raised? Say instead of 1,200 it was 2,200 or 600 to 900?
Just a thought. Thanx every one!, I would like to see how everyone else feels about the sprints

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Re: Sprints

Postby curlyhairedboy » Thu Jan 16, 2020 1:04 pm

I can't speak to the realities of Spyderco's manufacturing capacity, but as one of the most prolific production companies, they introduce and discontinue models at paces far faster than the competition.

Sprints might be a way to respond quickly to the demands of the enthusiast market while not permanently devoting resources to steels and features that might pass in popularity soon. We asked for Rex45, Spyderco's giving us Rex45 - but in a way that allows them to keep making 'normal' knives too.
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Re: Sprints

Postby sal » Thu Jan 16, 2020 1:17 pm

Hi Shane,

Welcome and thanx for posting. I'll present your suggestion to the management team.

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Re: Sprints

Postby The Meat man » Thu Jan 16, 2020 1:27 pm

With virtually every single Sprint Run of the past year selling out in about 3.8 seconds, I also think it would make sense for Spyderco to increase Sprint numbers.
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Re: Sprints

Postby Wartstein » Thu Jan 16, 2020 1:47 pm

Shane77 wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 12:52 pm
Hello Spyderco Forums
Long time lurker, first time poster of a new topic, well the topic is no where near new, but..
I just wanted to say first off that I always loved the idea of sprints, I missed out on a lot, but I also have some good scores in the collection. And at first I was a little upset with Nick Shabazz 's rant against them. But after seeing the newest reveal, I do feel like its getting a bit out of hand, maybe I'm wrong, but I was thinking that since the conception of the sprint run the community has grown so much, that maybe it would work out for everyone if the minimum number of each sprint was raised? Say instead of 1,200 it was 2,200 or 600 to 900?
Just a thought. Thanx every one!, I would like to see how everyone else feels about the sprints
Very good and thoughtfull first topic, Shane! :)

I am not really into sprints..

Only have three myself:

- Endura and Stretch in HAP 40, got them years after the Sprint was announced, one used on ebay, one I could even find new at an online store
- Straight Spine Stretch (very recently): Was easy to get, actually I really can´t believe it is still in stock at some places, given how great and special it is imho...

But of course I am behind the idea, that more people who wish so, can actually get certain sprints!
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Re: Sprints

Postby RustyIron » Thu Jan 16, 2020 1:53 pm

Shane77 wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 12:52 pm
But after seeing the newest reveal, I do feel like its getting a bit out of hand, maybe I'm wrong,
I don't understand how things are getting "out of hand." Nobody is forcing anyone to buy anything. I've never purchased a Sprint, but there are two that caught my eye, so I'll probably buy them when they become available. The price doesn't seem out of line, so why not?

I could see why someone might be offended if limited production was overhyped and then prices were jacked up exorbitantly, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

A more interesting question is WHY does Spyderco go through all the extra expense to create a limited run? Perhaps Sal sits in his office and gets a notion about a knife he'd like to fidget with while watching , so he gets on the intercom, "Eric! Make me some Rex 45's! I want a Manix! And a Native 5! And something else! Make sure I'll like it!" And then poor Eric has to tool up to make these knives, and then do something with the overage, so he calls it a "Sprint" and hopes we buy them. Well? It's possible.

Or what about the Sprints as a marketing test? Make a handful of knifes, throw 'em out there, and the characteristics of those that sell most quickly are integrated into future catalog items.

Regardless of the reason for making them, if you want one, buy it. If it's "out of hand," don't.

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Re: Sprints

Postby Wartstein » Thu Jan 16, 2020 2:01 pm

RustyIron wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 1:53 pm
Shane77 wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 12:52 pm
But after seeing the newest reveal, I do feel like its getting a bit out of hand, maybe I'm wrong,
I don't understand how things are getting "out of hand." Nobody is forcing anyone to buy anything. I've never purchased a Sprint, but there are two that caught my eye, so I'll probably buy them when they become available. The price doesn't seem out of line, so why not?

I could see why someone might be offended if limited production was overhyped and then prices were jacked up exorbitantly, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

A more interesting question is WHY does Spyderco go through all the extra expense to create a limited run? Perhaps Sal sits in his office and gets a notion about a knife he'd like to fidget with while watching , so he gets on the intercom, "Eric! Make me some Rex 45's! I want a Manix! And a Native 5! And something else! Make sure I'll like it!" And then poor Eric has to tool up to make these knives, and then do something with the overage, so he calls it a "Sprint" and hopes we buy them. Well? It's possible.

Or what about the Sprints as a marketing test? Make a handful of knifes, throw 'em out there, and the characteristics of those that sell most quickly are integrated into future catalog items.

Regardless of the reason for making them, if you want one, buy it. If it's "out of hand," don't.

Rusty, no offense and I respect your opinion, but I think Shanes main point really is:

- At one point a certain number (or certain numbers) of production pieces were established by Spyderco concerning Sprint runs
- Now perhaps just the quantity of people who are interested in Sprints has grown larger over time
-Consequently Spyderco COULD think about adapting / rising those numbers

Nothing wrong with that thought, right?
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Re: Sprints

Postby Evil D » Thu Jan 16, 2020 2:07 pm

Users will say this is a great idea.

Collectors will cry that it reduces their value.
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Re: Sprints

Postby Wartstein » Thu Jan 16, 2020 2:09 pm

Evil D wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 2:07 pm
Users will say this is a great idea.

Collectors will cry that it reduces their value.

Might be why I like it... I am "user", 100 %... ;)
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Re: Sprints

Postby The Meat man » Thu Jan 16, 2020 2:09 pm

RustyIron wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 1:53 pm
Shane77 wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 12:52 pm
But after seeing the newest reveal, I do feel like its getting a bit out of hand, maybe I'm wrong,
I don't understand how things are getting "out of hand." Nobody is forcing anyone to buy anything. I've never purchased a Sprint, but there are two that caught my eye, so I'll probably buy them when they become available. The price doesn't seem out of line, so why not?

I could see why someone might be offended if limited production was overhyped and then prices were jacked up exorbitantly, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

A more interesting question is WHY does Spyderco go through all the extra expense to create a limited run? Perhaps Sal sits in his office and gets a notion about a knife he'd like to fidget with while watching , so he gets on the intercom, "Eric! Make me some Rex 45's! I want a Manix! And a Native 5! And something else! Make sure I'll like it!" And then poor Eric has to tool up to make these knives, and then do something with the overage, so he calls it a "Sprint" and hopes we buy them. Well? It's possible.

Or what about the Sprints as a marketing test? Make a handful of knifes, throw 'em out there, and the characteristics of those that sell most quickly are integrated into future catalog items.

Regardless of the reason for making them, if you want one, buy it. If it's "out of hand," don't.
The point isn't that they're too expensive, but that the demand in recent years has far outstripped supply. Yes I know that there will always be some degree of this with limited items but I think there is room for Spyderco to expand without destroying the spirit of the thing.
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Re: Sprints

Postby Ez556 » Thu Jan 16, 2020 2:13 pm

I think a higher number would be good, but as curlyhairedboy said, Spyderco churns through models so much that if you are kicking yourself for missing one sprint, the next one is right around the corner. Most likely in a steel that will soon be the community fetish you don’t even know about right now. It would be GREAT if a bit of an increase in number would discourage flippers though, I don’t think anyone would miss that. Higher numbers could also help Golden sprint stay in stock for at least a full day.
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Re: Sprints

Postby Liquid Cobra » Thu Jan 16, 2020 2:14 pm

For those that have not seen the video the OP was referring to.

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Re: Sprints

Postby Ez556 » Thu Jan 16, 2020 2:21 pm

Evil D wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 2:07 pm
Users will say this is a great idea.

Collectors will cry that it reduces their value.
So true. Same problem in the firearm community. It would be absolutely great if the Hughes Amendment was repealed, but then overnight a transferable M16 lower would go from $30,000 to $200, and the collection some guy put his whole life savings into would only be as interesting as the historical/vintage appeal. Unfortunately too many people who have money invested in the artificial rarity would ensure it never happens. Heck, I spent WAY too much money getting a suppressor, but if they were deregulated tomorrow and I could get the exact same thing for $100, I wouldn’t shed a tear. Spyderco may lose some of their Collectors Club members, but the general community would benefit.
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But in reality, there is nothing quite like a gun. And it has been said, "The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun".
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Re: Sprints

Postby Cscottsss » Thu Jan 16, 2020 2:27 pm

I carry and use all my knives, including Sprint runs and dealer exclusives. I'm all for upping production numbers, especially if it makes the "flippers" suffer.

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Re: Sprints

Postby Ankerson » Thu Jan 16, 2020 2:29 pm

Evil D wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 2:07 pm
Users will say this is a great idea.

Collectors will cry that it reduces their value.


Well if they could solve the issue of people gaming the system it would go a long way for others to get them in the 1st place.

Limiting them doesn't seem to work either as some people end up with a lot of them (gaming the system) and they end up on EBAY etc.

Limiting to 2 and some still end up with a bunch of them, there is a massive issue there that needs to be taken care of.

It's either at the disturber level or some store level is were the problem is... Some very dishonest people out there.....Some people end up with a lot of them, means less for everyone else at normal pricing..... ;)

So in the end solving that problem would go a long way toward making more people happy.

IMO all Sprints need to be sold though the Spyderco Store....
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Re: Sprints

Postby VooDooChild » Thu Jan 16, 2020 2:30 pm

****. I had this great response where I got all philisophical about consumerism and then my phone messed up. It doesnt matter.

Do you need a mercedes vs a honda civic if you use both for the same thing?

My issue is something I see happening now, and thats not getting a heads up on sprint runs/exclusives before hand. What Im saying is, I know I want another shaman and another native chief. But I would hate to jump on a sprint or exclusive of those only to find out the one that would have been perfect for me was right around the corner, and now I have no more money in my knife fund. I guess its all just the nature of the game.

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Re: Sprints

Postby AwayFromMySpydieHole » Thu Jan 16, 2020 2:44 pm

Ankerson wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 2:29 pm
Evil D wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 2:07 pm
Users will say this is a great idea.

Collectors will cry that it reduces their value.


Well if they could solve the issue of people gaming the system it would go a long way for others to get them in the 1st place.

Limiting them doesn't seem to work either as some people end up with a lot of them (gaming the system) and they end up on EBAY etc.

Limiting to 2 and some still end up with a bunch of them, there is a massive issue there that needs to be taken care of.

It's either at the disturber level or some store level is were the problem is... Some very dishonest people out there.....Some people end up with a lot of them, means less for everyone else at normal pricing..... ;)

So in the end solving that problem would go a long way toward making more people happy.

IMO all Sprints need to be sold though the Spyderco Store....
Not necessarily true.

I sometimes end up with 4 or more of a sprint I REALLY love, even though the limit was 1 or 2 per household.


The dealer or distributor has nothing to do with that in my case. I simply buy my allotment and then I go to the forums to get more.

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Re: Sprints

Postby Ankerson » Thu Jan 16, 2020 2:53 pm

AwayFromMySpydieHole wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 2:44 pm
Ankerson wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 2:29 pm
Evil D wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 2:07 pm
Users will say this is a great idea.

Collectors will cry that it reduces their value.


Well if they could solve the issue of people gaming the system it would go a long way for others to get them in the 1st place.

Limiting them doesn't seem to work either as some people end up with a lot of them (gaming the system) and they end up on EBAY etc.

Limiting to 2 and some still end up with a bunch of them, there is a massive issue there that needs to be taken care of.

It's either at the disturber level or some store level is were the problem is... Some very dishonest people out there.....Some people end up with a lot of them, means less for everyone else at normal pricing..... ;)

So in the end solving that problem would go a long way toward making more people happy.

IMO all Sprints need to be sold though the Spyderco Store....
Not necessarily true.

I sometimes end up with 4 or more of a sprint I REALLY love, even though the limit was 1 or 2 per household.


The dealer or distributor has nothing to do with that in my case. I simply buy my allotment and then I go to the forums to get more.

Oh it is, been watching it for a VERY long time…

Not talking about just a few knives here either...

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Re: Sprints

Postby zuludelta » Thu Jan 16, 2020 2:56 pm

I think the basic Sprint Run concept is a good idea: produce a limited number of a knife of a particular design/steel combination that would likely not be popular enough to support a full, ongoing production run. It's a sensible way to fill a perceived gap in the market.

It becomes a problem once you get speculators & scalpers coming into play, making the Sprint Run knives extremely difficult to buy & artificially inflating prices on the secondary market. But that is an issue that may very well be outside of Spyderco's control (larger industries have tried and failed to curb scalper & speculator activity).

The proposed solution, to scale up the production of Sprint Runs so that those who want them are more likely to find them at a fair price (or find them at all!) sounds workable, but that presumes that Spyderco will be able to maintain profit margins from the scaled-up production to still keep the Sprint Run commercially viable for the company. There's probably an optimum production number that will allow for this, but that's for Spyderco's accountants to figure out LOL.

Anyway, just my C$.02.

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Re: Sprints

Postby PStone » Thu Jan 16, 2020 2:58 pm

Ankerson wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 2:29 pm
Evil D wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 2:07 pm
Users will say this is a great idea.

Collectors will cry that it reduces their value.


Well if they could solve the issue of people gaming the system it would go a long way for others to get them in the 1st place.

Limiting them doesn't seem to work either as some people end up with a lot of them (gaming the system) and they end up on EBAY etc.

Limiting to 2 and some still end up with a bunch of them, there is a massive issue there that needs to be taken care of.

It's either at the disturber level or some store level is were the problem is... Some very dishonest people out there.....Some people end up with a lot of them, means less for everyone else at normal pricing..... ;)

So in the end solving that problem would go a long way toward making more people happy.

IMO all Sprints need to be sold though the Spyderco Store....
I like the SFO idea for sprints. When there’s a sprint coming that I want, I spend a lot of time going to various dealer sites and checking if they have them yet. Plus keeping an eye on the forums. And even then I sometimes miss out. Would be pretty sweet for a lot more OpFocus people too.
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