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zhyla pimps his Manix 2

Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 11:57 pm
by zhyla
In the spirit of me telling everyone to go make something, here's my weekend project.

Been planning this for a little while. I got a good deal on a plain edge Manix 2 a while back and wanted to have a go at making custom scales. Originally what I wanted was to use thicker scale material and get rid of the liners. I couldn't quite figure out what to do with the lanyard bushing though as I'm not set up to re-flare that and wasn't confident the linerless scales would grip the bushing very well. So I opted to keep the liners.

The Manix 2 scales are pretty simple since they're slabs with no recesses for liners. But they are also curvy and have a lot of holes and pockets that need to be in the right places. To overcome this I scanned the original scale on a scanner with some graph paper backing it (for scale). Then I took it into Fusion 360 and sketched around the scan.

That yielded a workable model pretty quickly:

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I printed it out a few times to check everything was lining up. I probably would have had better luck with the fancy laser printers at work but I did this all at home on an inkjet. It got the job done but I'm not 100% sure how accurate the printer is in terms of absolute size.

The next step was to figure out how to cut this on the CNC mill. Fusion has pretty powerful CAM capabilities so this step was actually pretty quick. Basically you pick features and tell it to use a particular tool to mill or drill those features. The arrows show where the tools come in and out of the work piece.

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I did a couple test pieces in some scrap wood and adjusted the model as needed. And then it was time to actually cut some scales. This takes about 45 minutes per scale. It could probably be closer to 15 minutes if I spent time dialing in the speeds. You can calculate very precise feeds/speeds for metals, but I've found very little reference for how fast to cut composite materials. I erred on the side of very slow. I used a 6mm end mill to face the stock to correct thickness and a 2mm endmill intended for PCB milling for the rest. Nothing too exciting here. I did take a video of one of the scales being machined but it's pretty boring.

Results!

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This is some olive green linen micarta I got off ebay. It will look much darker when all polished up and sealed... I hope so at least.

Next up: a lot of sanding, test fitting, etc. And if anyone knows the correct way to finish micarta I'm all ears. I know to sand it pretty fine. I've heard some people wet it with mineral oil?

Re: zhyla pimps his Manix 2

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 1:01 am
by ZrowsN1s
Cool :cool:

Re: zhyla pimps his Manix 2

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 1:20 pm
by zhyla
Well that wasn't too bad. Sanded with 220, 400, and 600 grit.

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And then touched up the countersinks with a hand drill. Drill presses are great and all but for fine work like this where power tools can ruin things quickly it's hard to beat the humble egg beater.

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I ended up soaking the scales with mineral oil which you'll see later darkens them quite a bit. But while I've got this half apart it's time to swap out the CBBL cage:

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I posted a bit about this a while back, but for completeness I'll touch on this. I modeled the cage in Fusion:

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And then I had this 3d printed in a steel/bronze composite at Shapeways. It's an interesting process, I think they sinter stainless steel layer by layer and then flow in bronze to fill in the gaps between steel particles. Very tough stuff for a printed material. This one I opted for the nickel plating finish.

It comes out a bit rough so I did some light dremeling grind the bearing part smooth:

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Re: zhyla pimps his Manix 2

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 1:26 pm
by zhyla
That's pretty much it. I may pull the cage out and smooth out the spring follower a little bit. It's binding a bit. Here's some final pics:

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BTW, total cost for this project was around $40 and I dunno, maybe 10 hours total.

Re: zhyla pimps his Manix 2

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 1:28 pm
by SG89
Nice

Re: zhyla pimps his Manix 2

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 1:36 pm
by attila
Very cool! Thanks for sharing!

Re: zhyla pimps his Manix 2

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 1:57 pm
by TomAiello
Would you be willing to share the cage file so someone else could get one printed at shape ways?

Re: zhyla pimps his Manix 2

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 2:16 pm
by Sharp Guy
Nice! Those look great!

Now I have to pretend I didn't see this. You got me hooked on 3D printing in a similar way. I used to do a lot of machining (mill, lathe, surface grinder, etc) and I've always been curious out CNC. Please DO NOT show me any info on a inexpensive CNC milling machine. I'm still learning the 3D printing and don't need anything else occupying my mind (or wallet) at the moment. :D

Re: zhyla pimps his Manix 2

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 2:26 pm
by kodai78
Very cool! Do you have anything else lined up? I hope you share it too. This one was fascinating and it turned out great.

Re: zhyla pimps his Manix 2

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 2:31 pm
by zhyla
kodai78 wrote:
Sun Mar 24, 2019 2:26 pm
Very cool! Do you have anything else lined up? I hope you share it too. This one was fascinating and it turned out great.
Not really. I like the stock clip and beyond that there’s not much to do.

Re: zhyla pimps his Manix 2

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 2:41 pm
by TkoK83Spy
Some of you guys here are extremely innovated and talented. I wouldn't even know where to begin! Looks great.

Re: zhyla pimps his Manix 2

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 3:24 pm
by gundamaniac
Excellent work! Did you have to account for any shrinkage or other dimensional warpage from the sintering process for the cage print?

Re: zhyla pimps his Manix 2

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 3:32 pm
by vivi
Those scales look great. I'd love some for my DLC XL.

Re: zhyla pimps his Manix 2

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 4:21 pm
by Bloke
Very Nice indeed!

Bravo Zulu, zhyla! :cool:

Re: zhyla pimps his Manix 2

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 10:53 pm
by zhyla
gundamaniac wrote:
Sun Mar 24, 2019 3:24 pm
Excellent work! Did you have to account for any shrinkage or other dimensional warpage from the sintering process for the cage print?
Good question. Short answer: yes. Shapeways quotes potential shrinkage for the various materials they do (along with other advisories). You can't count on how and where the shrinkage happens though, you just have to live with it.

The first cage I got back for my other Manix 2 came out a little underside where the BB sits. Had to dremel out that cavity a bit. So I opened that area up in the model for the 2nd piece and the BB dropped right in.

For some reason I modeled the spring follower a bit shorter and thinner than the original cage. I'm not real sure why. Next time I do a Shapeways order I'll have to make a cage with a beefier follower, the less play in the spring the better. This copy also had the follower tilted a bit, possibly some warping due to how thin it is.

I did a part in brass with Shapeways recently and paid a little extra to have them polish it. It was a amazing, looked like gold. Smooth as could be. I'm trying to design a ring for my wife and will have that printed in silver if I can just come up with a design that doesn't look stupid.

Re: zhyla pimps his Manix 2

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 8:33 am
by bgcameron
Proof that you can improve upon perfection. Nice work!

Re: zhyla pimps his Manix 2

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 5:31 pm
by ferider
Great work ! As others, I'm very interested in the progress on the cage. Can you put it up for sale on Shapeways once you are comfortable with the size ?

Roland.