All things are matter and radiation.

[SpyderEdgeForever]

In the physical universe, all things are matter and radiation. Think about it. Everything you see and experience are either matter or radiation. All the millions and billions of assorted molecules and chemicals and minerals and all things are made up of atoms and those atoms are made up of protons, electrons, and neutrons. Some think its all electricity, electrons. A neutron is a proton and an electron bonded together. All the elementary particles are matter. And then the rest is radiation. The electromagnetic spectrum.

Once we can efficiently and cheaply learn to convert matter to radiation and backwards, then you can have matter replicators and transmuters.

Now, you may say "What about the emotions and things?" Well people will say that some of that comes from chemical interactions. But then if you get into the thing about the soul that takes this to another level. Could the soul be considered a very subtle form of matter that is not detectable by our crude electron based instruments?

[supracor]

Nothing exists

If something exists, nothing can be known about it

If something can be known about it, knowledge about it can't be communicated to others.

Even if it can be communicated, it cannot be understood.


This is the reality :p

[The Meat man]

Nothing exists

If something exists, nothing can be known about it

If something can be known about it, knowledge about it can't be communicated to others.

Even if it can be communicated, it cannot be understood.


This is the reality :p

Sorry, I don't understand...

:p

[supracor]

:p :D :p

Potete capire questa frase? :p

[MichaelScott]

Nothing exists

If something exists, nothing can be known about it

If something can be known about it, knowledge about it can't be communicated to others.

Even if it can be communicated, it cannot be understood.


This is the reality :p

Well, a priori, the initial statement is a matter of opinion, not fact. There is no evidence or rational supporting argument for it, therefore it can be easily dismissed, along with its following postulates.

I suggest you spend some time looking into quantum physics. Although no one understands it, it appears to describe the constituents of reality.

[supracor]

Nothing exists

If something exists, nothing can be known about it

If something can be known about it, knowledge about it can't be communicated to others.

Even if it can be communicated, it cannot be understood.


This is the reality :p

Well, a priori, the initial statement is a matter of opinion, not fact. There is no evidence or rational supporting argument for it, therefore it can be easily dismissed, along with its following postulates.

I suggest you spend some time looking into quantum physics. Although no one understands it, it appears to describe the constituents of reality.

Are you trying to refute Gorgias with arguments?
Crazy man :p

[The Mastiff]

Now, you may say "What about the emotions and things?" Well people will say that some of that comes from chemical interactions. But then if you get into the thing about the soul that takes this to another level. Could the soul be considered a very subtle form of matter that is not detectable by our crude electron based instruments?

It was described to me thusly. All matter vibrates at different speeds or frequencies. Faster, slower, etc. Steam is just that molecule vibrating faster than when it was in water form. Change it to ice and it is just vibrating even slower than when it was in water form.

When a person changes moods in a way they are doing the same. Changing vibration speeds. Obviously not enough to literally turn into steam. Only figuratively "steaming" when angry. etc.

Joe

[SpyderEdgeForever]

Now, you may say "What about the emotions and things?" Well people will say that some of that comes from chemical interactions. But then if you get into the thing about the soul that takes this to another level. Could the soul be considered a very subtle form of matter that is not detectable by our crude electron based instruments?

It was described to me thusly. All matter vibrates at different speeds or frequencies. Faster, slower, etc. Steam is just that molecule vibrating faster than when it was in water form. Change it to ice and it is just vibrating even slower than when it was in water form.

When a person changes moods in a way they are doing the same. Changing vibration speeds. Obviously not enough to literally turn into steam. Only figuratively "steaming" when angry. etc.

Joe

Thank you, that is a very good explanation. It makes me wonder if that being the case, there is some way that medical science can learn to modulate those changes, so people can be kept from either being too unemotional or from "flying off the handle". Ofcourse, that then crosses over into "no man's land territory" about society controlling individuals, that sort of thing. But imagine if there was some way to take the most extreme and violent persons and somehow put a mandatory modulator on them that would be an emotional equivelent of those "governors" on some vehicles; that prevent the vehicle from travelling past a certain level of speed. This "emotional governor" would be put on people who have a history of violent attacks against others so it "pacifies" them. Then again that crosses over into issues of individual freedoms and rights.

[SpyderEdgeForever]

Nothing exists

If something exists, nothing can be known about it

If something can be known about it, knowledge about it can't be communicated to others.

Even if it can be communicated, it cannot be understood.


This is the reality :p

Well, a priori, the initial statement is a matter of opinion, not fact. There is no evidence or rational supporting argument for it, therefore it can be easily dismissed, along with its following postulates.

I suggest you spend some time looking into quantum physics. Although no one understands it, it appears to describe the constituents of reality.

Great point. And infact it was this very thing: Quantum physics and electrodynamics, and the deeper version: quantum chromodynamics (the interactions of the subatomic subnuclear particles and waves) that got me thinking about the original post idea.

Michael: Picture this: If people could somehow engineer a device, at first large and bulky most likely, but then through advanced miniaturization, hand held, the size of say a modern smart phone or even a wand-like stick; let's call it a "Quantum Change Stick" or "Quantum Modulator".

This device, this super machine, would allow you and I and anyone else to quickly transform matter and radiation from one form into another. Obviously there would be rules regarding thermodynamics, because nothing in the present world operates with 100 percent efficiency, but even if there are heat losses and such things, the effects would be tremendous.

Imagine being able to go to a pile of what we now call trash and transforming the atoms of that trash into useful goods and useful materials.

What if you could walk over to a heaping pile of old bottles and cans and banana peels and transform that into a pile of Spyderco Delicas or brand new computers, or a pile of fresh edible beefsteaks?

The main issue would be the energy and the information: 1 How can we provide suffcient energy to undertake these matter transformations and 2 What type or memory level of computer would be required to handle it?

This would ofcourse be far more advanced than molecular nanotechnology.

[ChrisinHove]

Now, you may say "What about the emotions and things?" Well people will say that some of that comes from chemical interactions. But then if you get into the thing about the soul that takes this to another level. Could the soul be considered a very subtle form of matter that is not detectable by our crude electron based instruments?

It was described to me thusly. All matter vibrates at different speeds or frequencies. Faster, slower, etc. Steam is just that molecule vibrating faster than when it was in water form. Change it to ice and it is just vibrating even slower than when it was in water form.

When a person changes moods in a way they are doing the same. Changing vibration speeds. Obviously not enough to literally turn into steam. Only figuratively "steaming" when angry. etc.

Joe

There have been some interesting radio* programmes here recently about the role of micro-organisms in the human body, their significance as proportion of body-mass, the role they have in a persons well-ness, and even their involvement in mood and attitudes.

This seems to be a significant area of growing research and understanding.

*I know ... how old must I be to listen to lectures on the radio?

[The Mastiff]

This "emotional governor" would be put on people who have a history of violent attacks against others so it "pacifies" them. Then again that crosses over into issues of individual freedoms and rights.

I'm totally against the government limiting freedom. Once a person has chosen to not live within the rules and becomes dangerous to others something has to be done to protect others. A simple fact. Kill them or lock them up. That is what I did for my career as a cop and prison guard. Prisons can be pretty horrible places to be though. If the "emotional governor" isn't a lobotomy I'd like to hear more. :)

There have been some interesting radio* programmes here recently about the role of micro-organisms in the human body, their significance as proportion of body-mass, the role they have in a persons well-ness, and even their involvement in mood and attitudes.

Like that "toxi-plasmosis" thing in cat poo that turns people into crazy old cat ladies? :o I haven't listened to the radio since I quit my last part time job. Maybe I should read up on this more.

Joe

[O,just,O]

I am not allowed to enter.
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[Doc Dan]

Nothing exists

If something exists, nothing can be known about it

If something can be known about it, knowledge about it can't be communicated to others.

Even if it can be communicated, it cannot be understood.


This is the reality :p

How very post-modern of you. :p Since, however, you are espousing solipsism, the darling of post-modern teachers, whatever it is that you are trying to say cannot be understood, and what's more you do not exist. Therefore, the rest of us can go on about our business. :D

[supracor]

if you can understand yourselves... :D :p

Solipsism? Postmodernism?
Who can say that I exist?

[MichaelScott]

You said you don’t, remember?

You think, therefore you think you are.

Unfortunately, it seems your thinking processes are so muddled that you’ve gotten all tangled up in irrational assumptions. Or, this is all a joke.

Post modernism, sounds about right.

[supracor]

Who has ever said that I think?
Every time I discuss to my older brother he gets angry because he believes that with logic and rationality he can beat me :D

Come on, I stop annoying

One last thing; don't try to enclose everything in a table, it doesn't work so much.

[MichaelScott]

It would appear obvious that in order to participate in this forum, some level of cerebral activity must occur. You might not call it thinking but surely it must exist. But, to you nothing exists. Then, why are you here, now, involved in this?

I don’t think anyone is trying to “beat” you, but to point out that to most of us, your declarations are self-contradictory and hence make no sense. Do you value logic and rationality? If not, then I suppose we don’t have much more to discuss.

Except, I’m not clear on what you mean by enclosing everything in a table.

[The Meat man]

Who can say that I exist?

Tell me, who is asking the question?

The truth is, nobody has ever doubted, or disbelieved, in his own existence. It's impossible.

[supracor]

Who can say that I exist?

Tell me, who is asking the question?

The truth is, nobody has ever doubted, or disbelieved, in his own existence. It's impossible.

Never said that i don't exist, i've said that there aren't proof of my existence.

The only possible answer is maybe.

[supracor]

Nothing exists

If something exists, nothing can be known about it

If something can be known about it, knowledge about it can't be communicated to others.

Even if it can be communicated, it cannot be understood.


This is the reality :p

This procedure is not mine, it is from Gorgias.
Plato wrote a book on him.
The only thing he had to say is "nothing can be known".