Employment

[Ankerson]

Hasn't really changed that much really as far as the laws go, some are actually better with more freedom. Easier to get a CCW now than before.

Respectfully, this statement is absurd. Disregarding which side of the aisle you are on, you cannot possibly argue that we have "more freedom" than before, especially with regard to firearms.
Yes, almost everyone I know is glad that dark skinned people can go wherever they choose and attend any college, and that Americans of Japanese descent can legally own property in California. And many, many people I know are pleased as punch that two men or two women can now enjoy, legally, the right to argue daily until they hire a lawyer to split their belongings.
But... when I was a child one could purchase a firearm via the mail by simply sending a check. (Thanks, Lee Harvey!) There were no background checks or waiting periods, and firearms were not registered. As a child, I shot daily on the very campus where I now work. My father coached the school's pistol and rifle team. Fifty years ago, my university had an ARMORY on campus. Before that, anyone who wanted to could buy a Tommy gun.
As a child, my mother (and all her classmates) had knives as part of their school kit. They used them, among other things, to sharpen their pencils. Today, if my child draws a picture of a knife, she will be expelled. University presidents have been fired for using words such as "niggardly" and "niggle" in speeches. Folks, this is madness (IMO) no matter how you slice it.
Someone earlier mentioned our rich history of civil disobedience, which was made famous by the essay of the same name by Henry David Thoreau. Courage was required by Thoreau because he was willing to go to jail for his beliefs. Courage (perhaps stupidity) is required to leave your job because of principles. However deplorable the OP's grammar, I have to give him credit for being willing to take a stand that negatively effects him. In addition (and this is key) he at no time insists that you must do the same, nor does he complain about his loss of income. Yet, also elsewhere, I see someone saying the employer gets to decide and if you don't like it you can leave. Well, that's what he did!
Perhaps you want to live in a nanny state where Big Brother dictates what you must do and what you cannot do. That's fine. I may disagree with that, but you certainly have the right to believe that's a great society. But I do not believe that you can seriously assert that we have not been headed down that road for many years, nor that the speed with which we've been traveling down that road hasn't increased greatly in the last couple of decades.
So you're not willing to quit your job because they suddenly banned knives. Well neither am I. But can't we all agree that there is a point at which you must quit your job no matter how well it pays or no matter how luxurious the benefits? Is there not an ethical limit of what an employer may ask of you? Before you answer, consider the statements of most of the witnesses at the Nuremberg trials. Do Mayor Sadiq Khan's words concern you? Are you not concerned with a world in which expressing an opinion that is contrary to the belief system of an elite minority can lead to the end of your career? Perhaps you don't see any connection between any of these things because your life is so comfortable. If that's the case, I say that's by design.

In my lifetime the laws haven't changed THAT MUCH, I am 53.

Getting a CCW is much easier today than it used to be I can tell you that for sure.

I can still buy the same guns that I could when I was 21, nothing has changed there at all.

Now as far as Society goes, yeah that has changed a lot and not for the better IMO.


That said I despise radicals on either side, one is just as bad as the other IMO.

[mad german]

Hasn't really changed that much really as far as the laws go, some are actually better with more freedom. Easier to get a CCW now than before.

Respectfully, this statement is absurd. Disregarding which side of the aisle you are on, you cannot possibly argue that we have "more freedom" than before, especially with regard to firearms.
Yes, almost everyone I know is glad that dark skinned people can go wherever they choose and attend any college, and that Americans of Japanese descent can legally own property in California. And many, many people I know are pleased as punch that two men or two women can now enjoy, legally, the right to argue daily until they hire a lawyer to split their belongings.
But... when I was a child one could purchase a firearm via the mail by simply sending a check. (Thanks, Lee Harvey!) There were no background checks or waiting periods, and firearms were not registered. As a child, I shot daily on the very campus where I now work. My father coached the school's pistol and rifle team. Fifty years ago, my university had an ARMORY on campus. Before that, anyone who wanted to could buy a Tommy gun.
As a child, my mother (and all her classmates) had knives as part of their school kit. They used them, among other things, to sharpen their pencils. Today, if my child draws a picture of a knife, she will be expelled. University presidents have been fired for using words such as "niggardly" and "niggle" in speeches. Folks, this is madness (IMO) no matter how you slice it.
Someone earlier mentioned our rich history of civil disobedience, which was made famous by the essay of the same name by Henry David Thoreau. Courage was required by Thoreau because he was willing to go to jail for his beliefs. Courage (perhaps stupidity) is required to leave your job because of principles. However deplorable the OP's grammar, I have to give him credit for being willing to take a stand that negatively effects him. In addition (and this is key) he at no time insists that you must do the same, nor does he complain about his loss of income. Yet, also elsewhere, I see someone saying the employer gets to decide and if you don't like it you can leave. Well, that's what he did!
Perhaps you want to live in a nanny state where Big Brother dictates what you must do and what you cannot do. That's fine. I may disagree with that, but you certainly have the right to believe that's a great society. But I do not believe that you can seriously assert that we have not been headed down that road for many years, nor that the speed with which we've been traveling down that road hasn't increased greatly in the last couple of decades.
So you're not willing to quit your job because they suddenly banned knives. Well neither am I. But can't we all agree that there is a point at which you must quit your job no matter how well it pays or no matter how luxurious the benefits? Is there not an ethical limit of what an employer may ask of you? Before you answer, consider the statements of most of the witnesses at the Nuremberg trials. Do Mayor Sadiq Khan's words concern you? Are you not concerned with a world in which expressing an opinion that is contrary to the belief system of an elite minority can lead to the end of your career? Perhaps you don't see any connection between any of these things because your life is so comfortable. If that's the case, I say that's by design.

In my lifetime the laws haven't changed THAT MUCH, I am 53.

Getting a CCW is much easier today than it used to be I can tell you that for sure.

I can still buy the same guns that I could when I was 21, nothing has changed there at all.

Now as far as Society goes, yeah that has changed a lot and not for the better IMO.


That said I despise radicals on either side, one is just as bad as the other IMO.

I'm 50, and agree with Ankerson.

[The Deacon]

Perhaps you want to live in a nanny state where Big Brother dictates what you must do and what you cannot do.

I don't want to live in a nanny state, but I don't expect to be able to do whatever I please, whenever I please, and wherever I please. I can accept the fact that other people also have rights, and among those rights is the right to set rules for people in their employ. I don't fault the OP for leaving his job because he disagreed with company policy, but I do think a company has a right to set policy.

[Ankerson]

Perhaps you want to live in a nanny state where Big Brother dictates what you must do and what you cannot do.

I don't want to live in a nanny state, but I don't expect to be able to do whatever I please, whenever I please, and wherever I please. I can accept the fact that other people also have rights, and among those rights is the right to set rules for people in their employ. I don't fault the OP for leaving his job because he disagreed with company policy, but I do think a company has a right to set policy.

Exactly.


There has to be a balance of Control and Freedom or Chaos would be the end result, that has been proven time after time.

Too much Control isn't good either like Communism or Socialism.


The hardest thing in the World to do is maintain that balance.

[curlyhairedboy]

I grew up with the understanding that my rights end where my neighbor's begin.

that said, the realities of 'knife life" vary according to your needs and where you live. Deep in the woods or out on the ocean, a knife is a potential lifesaving tool. As you get closer to built up/urbanized areas, a knife's critical role become less so.

Blanket statements about who needs to carry and who doesn't tend to ignore the complexities of people's choices and needs. Easiest illustration is the difference between emergency response times in the city vs the country. 2 minutes vs 20 minutes means people can make different choices and both be right.

[SG89]

Sal,
Perhaps the job you lost over wearing makeup and short skirts was not for you anyways. Am I right?

:eek: :p

[sal]

Hi Anycal,

Actually I had significantly improved a system (Photo engraving). The customer loved the change, but the boss didn't want to learn the improvement and ordered me to go back to the "old" way which the customer hated. I lost the job and the boss lost the account.

Hey Nick,

Thanx much for your service. Appreciate!

sal

[nicktheodore]

You welcome sal

[Daveho]

In my field I had introduced a new supplier to my manager;
-product was better quality
-increased GP by 30%
-supplier maintained the stock levels

My manager decided not to go ahead with it for what ever reason, annoying but it’s his call.

[sal]

We sure got some smart folks hereabouts. And civility that makes me proud. :D

sal

[Ankerson]

While in Management for a Company they changed the way of doing things because Corporate said so.

Well we tried it their way and it took longer, was less efficient, took more man hours than the way we did it forever.


We continued to do it the old way and made payroll until Corporate figured that out.

So we didn't have a choice, payroll went downhill, overstock piled up so instead of going back to the original way of doing things Corporate forced the issue and fired all of the management trying to force it to work. In the end it never worked and over a long period of time (YEARS) they eventually went back to the old way. But that wasn't before they ruined a lot of lives in the process.

All because some moron in Corporate Management had an idea. :rolleyes:

[nicktheodore]

Is not just a knife policies look at Walmart or dicks sporting goods they recently pass a policy that they will no longer sell long guns to anyone under 21 or long gun ammunition so at 18 you can go die for the country perfectly fine you can vote etc but you can't buy ammo for your hunting rifle at those stores if you think about it I joined service when I was 18 , did I ever shoot out a school ? No! Because I was taugh better that resolve my mental issues by shooting other people this new century generation is mentally ill I have lots of friends that are 18 and own aR 15 no one of them go and shoot out schools , but because of Walmart policies they can't legally purchase ammo or long gun now at Walmart that's why we need to stand for our rights if federal law and state law says 18 to purchase long guns and long gun ammo then it should be illegal for Walmart or dicks etc to put such an policy in place because they are ffl

[Ankerson]

Is not just a knife policies look at Walmart or dicks sporting goods they recently pass a policy that they will no longer sell long guns to anyone under 21 or long gun ammunition so at 18 you can go die for the country perfectly fine you can vote etc but you can't buy ammo for your hunting rifle at those stores if you think about it I joined service when I was 18 , did I ever shoot out a school ? No! Because I was taugh better that resolve my mental issues by shooting other people this new century generation is mentally ill I have lots of friends that are 18 and own aR 15 no one of them go and shoot out schools , but because of Walmart policies they can't legally purchase ammo or long gun now at Walmart that's why we need to stand for our rights if federal law and state law says 18 to purchase long guns and long gun ammo then it should be illegal for Walmart or dicks etc to put such an policy in place because they are ffl

Those are Companies.

It's their choice in the end to sell or not sell what they want and who they want to sell to as long as it's legal.

Wal-Mart and Dick's aren't breaking any laws.

[nicktheodore]

Is not about again if the breaking a law or not is about that what our country going into

[Ankerson]

Is not about again if the breaking a law or not is about that what our country going into

If Wal-Mart or Dick's won't sell something to a person it's their choice to go to another store that will.

It really is that simple.

Who cares what Wal-Mart or Dick's does, it's not any ones problem but their own.

Doesn't make any difference one way or another in the big picture.


Only effects someone if they let it or want it to.

[sal]

However you may perceive the Country's direction is going (good or bad) we do have the power to make adjustments. Maybe not as quickly as many of us would like, but we do have that power. But, there are established ways to affect change that is designed to move slowly to avoid lethal errors. Even corruption can be dealt with. Persistence is king!

Values like Honor, Respect, Fairness and Compassion must be part of the equation.

sal

[ZrowsN1s]

^well said Sal.

[Daveho]

However you may perceive the Country's direction is going (good or bad) we do have the power to make adjustments. Maybe not as quickly as many of us would like, but we do have that power. But, there are established ways to affect change that is designed to move slowly to avoid lethal errors. Even corruption can be dealt with. Persistence is king!

Values like Honor, Respect, Fairness and Compassion must be part of the equation.

sal

Quite right Sal, it’s also interesting how different countries handle these issues.
I don’t know if anyone has it perfect but we can all continue to strive for it by doing our part.

[nicktheodore]

Oh persistence I know where that name for that knife coming from

[jmh58]

Years ago.. I was the Maytag man.. Repaired appliance in customers homes.. Worked some bad areas and had more than a few not so happy incidents.. We were not allowed to carry a gun.. I did.. Better alive and unemployed than dead with a job.. Just sayin what I choose to do.. Right or wrong.. John :)