Native 5 Switches from S35VN to S30V
Native 5 Switches from S35VN to S30V
From the latest Spyderco Byte:
"After exhaustive in-house performance testing and tons of end-user feedback, we have also decided to change the blade steel of the Native 5 from its current CPM S35VN™ to CPM S30V®. This rolling change will be implemented as we exhaust our current inventory of parts, so some versions of the Native 5 will complete the switch sooner than others. However, the change will ultimately affect all standard G-10 and FRN-handled versions of this popular model."
Discuss.
"After exhaustive in-house performance testing and tons of end-user feedback, we have also decided to change the blade steel of the Native 5 from its current CPM S35VN™ to CPM S30V®. This rolling change will be implemented as we exhaust our current inventory of parts, so some versions of the Native 5 will complete the switch sooner than others. However, the change will ultimately affect all standard G-10 and FRN-handled versions of this popular model."
Discuss.
Patrick LaFollette
Current: Dragonfly 2 ZDP-189, Chaparral 1, Techno 1, Delica 4 HAP-40, Dragonfly 2 HAP-40, Mantra 1, Ladybug Salt Hawkbill, Nirvana CPM, Endura 4 HAP-40, Sage 4, Para Military 2 CPM Cru-Wear, Sage 5, Caly3 HAP40, Sliverax, Lil' Nilakka, Chaparral Raffir Noble, Zulu, Manbug HAP40, Meerkat HAP40, Sage 1/Sage 2/Sage 3 CF, Introvert, Techno 2
Current: Dragonfly 2 ZDP-189, Chaparral 1, Techno 1, Delica 4 HAP-40, Dragonfly 2 HAP-40, Mantra 1, Ladybug Salt Hawkbill, Nirvana CPM, Endura 4 HAP-40, Sage 4, Para Military 2 CPM Cru-Wear, Sage 5, Caly3 HAP40, Sliverax, Lil' Nilakka, Chaparral Raffir Noble, Zulu, Manbug HAP40, Meerkat HAP40, Sage 1/Sage 2/Sage 3 CF, Introvert, Techno 2
Re: Native 5 Switches from S35VN to S30V
Ditching the steel liners and switching to S30v seems like it would be a cost savings.
Going liner less is nice IMO, but it's sad to see the only production S35vn Spyderco die.
Going liner less is nice IMO, but it's sad to see the only production S35vn Spyderco die.
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Re: Native 5 Switches from S35VN to S30V
Interesting. Between this and the move to linerless G10 I am not liking the changes. My ideal Native is either G10 or Peel Ply CF with the full skeletonized liners, and a tool steel such as Cruwear, 52100, or M4. I wouldn't say no to a Red G10/M390 DLT trading version though assuming it wasn't linerless.
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Re: Native 5 Switches from S35VN to S30V
The S110V version will keep its steel liners.
But I agree that it's a loss to have no more S35V. It's always nice to have a choice.
But I agree that it's a loss to have no more S35V. It's always nice to have a choice.
Michael
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48 Spydies, 44 different models, 43 different steels
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Grail knife, still to be acquired: original Tuff by Ed Schempp Feel free to help me find one at a reasonable price...
Re: Native 5 Switches from S35VN to S30V
I just read the new edition of Byte. I don't mind the change to S30V but I'm also glad I already have 3 Native 5s with S35VN.
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Re: Native 5 Switches from S35VN to S30V
You guys know S35VN is not "5 better" than S30V, right? Users shouldn't notice any difference between the two. I really doubt anyone could distinguish the two from use.
Re: Native 5 Switches from S35VN to S30V
Still, one of the things that distinguish Spyderco from other makers is that they offer a very wide range of different steels. Now it will be one less.
Michael
48 Spydies, 44 different models, 43 different steels
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Grail knife, still to be acquired: original Tuff by Ed Schempp Feel free to help me find one at a reasonable price...
48 Spydies, 44 different models, 43 different steels
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Grail knife, still to be acquired: original Tuff by Ed Schempp Feel free to help me find one at a reasonable price...
Re: Native 5 Switches from S35VN to S30V
What sort of testing would show S30V to be superior, and in what miniscule ways? Did they just determine that the percentage of cost difference is more than the percentage of performance difference?
Also, I wonder if S35VN will be abandoned altogether in the future by Spyderco. That's a depressing thought, since I have been hoping more models would eventually get "upgraded" from S30V to S35VN.
This blade steel news is a bummer, but I do like the move to linerless Natives.
Also, I wonder if S35VN will be abandoned altogether in the future by Spyderco. That's a depressing thought, since I have been hoping more models would eventually get "upgraded" from S30V to S35VN.
This blade steel news is a bummer, but I do like the move to linerless Natives.
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Want: SPY27, K490, Swick 5.
Want: SPY27, K490, Swick 5.
Re: Native 5 Switches from S35VN to S30V
In my use I never saw a difference between S35Vn and S30V. Somehow I do not even have any of these steels currently in use. I have three used Natives, one with S35Vn and one with S30V, but use any of them once in a blue moon.
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Re: Native 5 Switches from S35VN to S30V
I don't mind this at all. I've not noticed any performance or sharpening differences between the two. I would hope this might drop the price a few bucks.
I wasn't sure about the linerless g10 but after getting the manix 2 backlock, i think i prefer it.
I wasn't sure about the linerless g10 but after getting the manix 2 backlock, i think i prefer it.
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Re: Native 5 Switches from S35VN to S30V
S35VN and S30V are interchangeable, nothing wrong with S30V and I doubt anyone would notice the difference in performance.
Re: Native 5 Switches from S35VN to S30V
Somehow I doubt that's in the future.knivesandbooks wrote: ↑Fri Mar 30, 2018 11:33 amI would hope this might drop the price a few bucks.
Re: Native 5 Switches from S35VN to S30V
The steel switch doesn't bother me any. And I still like the linerless idea. Lighter is better I think, and less parts to trap dirt and moisture and rust.
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Re: Native 5 Switches from S35VN to S30V
Linerless is great. I love my fluted cf S90v version. Perfectly balanced, light and strong.
Re: Native 5 Switches from S35VN to S30V
The best Spyderco ever made. At least for me :)
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Re: Native 5 Switches from S35VN to S30V
For what it is worth, the internet consensus a while back was that s30v outperformed s35vn in edge retention but was more difficult to sharpen and perhaps more prone to chipping.
Just a guess, but perhaps Spyderco has found similar results and the difference in sharpenability is now negligible as sharpening equipment has caught up to the steel.
Re: Native 5 Switches from S35VN to S30V
+1 :D And to think it almost didn't happen. I'm very happy they went through with it in the end.
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Re: Native 5 Switches from S35VN to S30V
You are correct. It almost didn't happen. I also very happy that it did.
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Re: Native 5 Switches from S35VN to S30V
Damnit, I wanted a plain edge DLC one in s35vn to match my serrated one. Hopefully the new DLC ones arrive before the switch to s30v.
Re: Native 5 Switches from S35VN to S30V
I'd be interested to hear a summary of what has been discovered from the testing and a summary of what was heard from the customers.
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