CPM-154/S90V Composite Carbon Fiber Native 5

[Liquid Cobra]

From BentoBoxShops Facebook page...

The Spyderco Plain Edge CPM-154/S90V Composite Carbon Fiber Native 5 is dropping in a week or two and we are taking prepay pre-orders. http://www.bentoboxshop.com #spyderco

[RamZar]

The Manix2 CPM-154/CPM-S90V Composite Blade with Black peel ply CF from July 2017 is still in stock at many dealers for $240. Not many takers for Composite Blades now like when the ParaMilitary2 one came out in just 300 pieces in February 2014.

Personally, the Native5 CPM-S90V with linerless gorgeous Fluted CF is a lot more attractive and it’s just $216.

[Sharp Guy]

Personally, the Native5 CPM-S90V with linerless gorgeous Fluted CF is a lot more attractive and it’s just $216.

Agreed!

[wrdwrght]

I remain unclear what "composite" means. Are we talking cladding, or some metallurgical magic where the two steels somehow infuse each other in such a way that they would not be discernible in cross-section?

[jabba359]

I remain unclear what "composite" means. Are we talking cladding, or some metallurgical magic where the two steels somehow infuse each other in such a way that they would not be discernible in cross-section?

It's a different process from cladding, as I understand it, but still maintains a "cladding line", so you can see where the steels transition between each other. I saw the Manix 2 with this steel at the factory seconds sale and it was easy to see the line.

[RamZar]

I remain unclear what "composite" means. Are we talking cladding, or some metallurgical magic where the two steels somehow infuse each other in such a way that they would not be discernible in cross-section?

I don't know if the process to make the composite blade is any different for the Manix2 and Native5 Sprints but here's a good explanation of the process for the ParaMilitary2 Sprint back in February 2014. It's not a sandwich but two steels fused together.

//forum.spyderco.com/viewtopic.php?t=62959

[RadioactiveSpyder]

I’d love a few more details on this. Will it be CF with SS liners like the CF S110V, or CF slabs only like the fluted CF and the recent linerless polished green G10 exclusive? If it’s flat slabs without liners AND the composite blade, that’d really be something! :)

[Liquid Cobra]

I’d love a few more details on this. Will it be CF with SS liners like the CF S110V, or CF slabs only like the fluted CF and the recent linerless polished green G10 exclusive? If it’s flat slabs without liners AND the composite blade, that’d really be something! :)

I’d buy that.

[nicked.onaut]

CF slabs only like the fluted CF and the recent linerless polished green G10 exclusive? If it’s flat slabs without liners AND the composite blade, that’d really be something! :)

Those two have bumped the other Natives out of the RFP for me, except for hiking, where the extra toothy pocket grip BDT and Orange scales gain importance. Even the fluted Ti is second to the fluted CF.

The composite blade still relies on S90V for the cutting edge, and the sandwiching CPM-154 layers may be more Gee-whilickers than functional benefit, but I like it nonetheless.. The marginal increase in cost of the steel blanks may be offset to some degree by decreased machining costs vs. solid S90V, but the increased price due to exclusivity/ltd production may make that moot anyway.

Besides, the Manix version wants a little brother.

[wrdwrght]

I remain unclear what "composite" means. Are we talking cladding, or some metallurgical magic where the two steels somehow infuse each other in such a way that they would not be discernible in cross-section?

I don't know if the process to make the composite blade is any different for the Manix2 and Native5 Sprints but here's a good explanation of the process for the ParaMilitary2 Sprint back in February 2014. It's not a sandwich but two steels fused together.

//forum.spyderco.com/viewtopic.php?t=62959

Thanks for the link. I had forgotten this thread, and worse, had forgotten I had commented in it!

[pinepig2]

I’d love a few more details on this. Will it be CF with SS liners like the CF S110V, or CF slabs only like the fluted CF and the recent linerless polished green G10 exclusive? If it’s flat slabs without liners AND the composite blade, that’d really be something! :)

I would't complain if Crucible somehow wasn't able to deliver S90V / S110V for a year or more, then we might get some more compelling exclusives! I'd love a linerless G10 Native 5 due to the lined version being rather heavy for it's size (and I don't want the FRN version). However all such options are only in these two steels, which I have zero interest in.

[ABX2011]

Personally, the Native5 CPM-S90V with linerless gorgeous Fluted CF is a lot more attractive and it’s just $216.

My favorite Native ever and arguably one of the best Spydercos in the catalog.

[RamZar]

According to BladeHQ, the Sprint Run Native5 with CPM-S90V/CPM-154 composite steel blade (saber grind), textured peel-ply carbon fiber handle and weighing 3.90 ounces will start shipping in December 2017 for $215.97. For the same price you can get the beautiful fluted CF with S90V (FFG) and it weighs just 2.83 ounces!

[jtoler_9]

Just went up for pre order at BHQ.

[RadioactiveSpyder]

Hmm, saber ground blade on a N5? That’s a first. I wonder where the laminate line will fall on the grind on some of these...

[ABX2011]

The saber grind looks good but you sacrifice cutting ability. If it were hollow ground...

[jabba359]

That grind doesn't look very attentive, IMO. I would have vastly preferred a throwback to the Native 1 hollow grind with swedge.

[Liquid Cobra]

Hmm, saber ground blade on a N5? That’s a first. I wonder where the laminate line will fall on the grind on some of these...

I kinda like the looks of that.

[bh49]

According to BladeHQ, the Sprint Run Native5 with CPM-S90V/CPM-154 composite steel blade (saber grind), textured peel-ply carbon fiber handle and weighing 3.90 ounces will start shipping in December 2017 for $215.97. For the same price you can get the beautiful fluted CF with S90V (FFG) and it weighs just 2.83 ounces!

It also FFG.
Maybe I am missing something really great, but I have zero interest in this knife at this time. I do not see any benefits of S90V/CPM154 over plain S90V in my use. And cannot imagine this knife would ever replace Fluted CF N5 in my pocket.

[RamZar]

According to BladeHQ, the Sprint Run Native5 with CPM-S90V/CPM-154 composite steel blade (saber grind), textured peel-ply carbon fiber handle and weighing 3.90 ounces will start shipping in December 2017 for $215.97. For the same price you can get the beautiful fluted CF with S90V (FFG) and it weighs just 2.83 ounces!

It also FFG.
Maybe I am missing something really great, but I have zero interest in this knife at this time. I do not see any benefits of S90V/CPM154 over plain S90V in my use. And cannot imagine this knife would ever replace Fluted CF N5 in my pocket.

Practically speaking, with the fluted CF model you get more for the same price. Of course, it costs more to manufacture the composite blade but it also costs more to manufacture the fluted CF. However, with the fluted CF you not only get the same steel blade performance (advantage FFG over Saber) but in a lighter (by a whole ounce) and more aesthetically-pleasing package. I'm all for technical progress but I think the days of composite blades are over.