LC200 N or H1 whats the difference?

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LC200 N or H1 whats the difference?

Postby Mic1 » Sat Apr 08, 2017 2:08 pm

LC200 N or H1 whats the difference?

I am thinking of getting one or the other which has better edge retention. It is between the H1 Salt pe full size or SpydieChef.

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Re: LC200 N or H1 whats the difference?

Postby Surfingringo » Sat Apr 08, 2017 2:21 pm

Lc200n has better edge retention in plain edge. It's definitely no maxamet, haha, but it significantly outperforms H1 in my use. The problem with both of these steels is a lack of strength which can cause edge deformation when cutting harder media. H1 seems to be much more prone to that deformation and because of that will go dull almost immediately if pushed beyond its capabilities. Lc200n performs much better in that regard. My theory is this is largely a result of hardness. I believe Spyderco is getting their Lc200n to around 59 where H1 (if I had to guess) is probably closer to the mid 50's. Long story short, pe Lc200n meets my performance threshold for an everyday use knife or a fish cleaning knife, whereas pe H1 comes in a bit below that threshold.

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Re: LC200 N or H1 whats the difference?

Postby SF Native » Sat Apr 08, 2017 2:22 pm

Not an expert, but both are extremely corrosion resistant. H1 might actually be corrosion proof. H1 is really good for serrated, dulls pretty quick for pe. Early reviews of lc200n indicate better edge retention for plain edge.

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Re: LC200 N or H1 whats the difference?

Postby Mic1 » Sat Apr 08, 2017 2:27 pm

Surfingringo wrote:Lc200n has better edge retention in plain edge. It's definitely no maxamet, haha, but it significantly outperforms H1 in my use. The problem with both of these steels is a lack of strength which can cause edge deformation when cutting harder media. H1 seems to be much more prone to that deformation and because of that will go dull almost immediately if pushed beyond its capabilities. Lc200n performs much better in that regard. My theory is this is largely a result of hardness. I believe Spyderco is getting their Lc200n to around 59 where H1 (if I had to guess) is probably closer to the mid 50's. Long story short, pe Lc200n meets my performance threshold for an everyday use knife or a fish cleaning knife, whereas pe H1 comes in a bit below that threshold.
Thanks Gringo! That's all I need to know. LC200n it is. Just want it for being out in the canoe with the kids. Also for our trip to Florida.The salt water pools and the beach will be hard on M4 and my Maxamet.

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Re: LC200 N or H1 whats the difference?

Postby Surfingringo » Sat Apr 08, 2017 2:29 pm

Both seem to be fully corrosion proof. I have left both steels in the kayak unwashed and baking in a compartment full of salty water residue. Months without a freshwater rinse and I've never seen a speck of rust on either one.

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Postby Surfingringo » Sat Apr 08, 2017 2:30 pm

Mic1 wrote:
Surfingringo wrote:Lc200n has better edge retention in plain edge. It's definitely no maxamet, haha, but it significantly outperforms H1 in my use. The problem with both of these steels is a lack of strength which can cause edge deformation when cutting harder media. H1 seems to be much more prone to that deformation and because of that will go dull almost immediately if pushed beyond its capabilities. Lc200n performs much better in that regard. My theory is this is largely a result of hardness. I believe Spyderco is getting their Lc200n to around 59 where H1 (if I had to guess) is probably closer to the mid 50's. Long story short, pe Lc200n meets my performance threshold for an everyday use knife or a fish cleaning knife, whereas pe H1 comes in a bit below that threshold.
Thanks Gringo! That's all I need to know. LC200n it is. Just want it for being out in the canoe with the kids. Also for our trip to Florida.The salt water pools and the beach will be hard on M4 and my Maxamet.
If you want plain edge then I would go with the spydiechef for sure. If you are willing to go se then the pacific salt or salt 1 are pretty awesome.

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Postby wrdwrght » Sat Apr 08, 2017 2:38 pm

Have both PE H1 and LC200N and SE H1. I'll echo the Gringo and SF Native regarding performance.

Evidently the serrating process hardens H1 and renders SE H1 utterly magical.

Serrating LC200N has me wondering whether it might be made too brittle...
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Postby Evil D » Sat Apr 08, 2017 3:05 pm

wrdwrght wrote:Have both PE H1 and LC200N and SE H1. I'll echo the Gringo and SF Native regarding performance.

Evidently the serrating process hardens H1 and renders SE H1 utterly magical.

Serrating LC200N has me wondering whether it might be made too brittle...
Does it work harden like H1?
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Re: LC200 N or H1 whats the difference?

Postby Mic1 » Sat Apr 08, 2017 3:23 pm

It's pe all the way for me I never could get serrated knives sharp again. I know it sounds paranoid but I always have a knife even in my swimming suit while at the pool in Disney .
I did consider and am still sorta considering se just because It would keep cutting while on vacation without needing my sharpening gear.

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Postby ColeAK » Mon Feb 26, 2018 3:17 pm

Haha I know I’m not alone, I also carry a life even in the pool on vacation. I have a salt-I PE I’ve had for about 5 years. Have it in my pocket 2 weeks a year in Hawaii (pools, ocean) and when I’m salmon fishing in the summer. No rust but I do flush it and dry it every evening after use, and I sharpen it before I go on vacation and edge lasts just fine for 2 weeks of fairly hard use. I like it so much I also got an aqua salt PE that is now my dive/snorkel knife. H1 Edge retention is not as good as s30v or s35vn in my other go to knives but honistly I would have no complaints if the “salt’s” were my only folder and fixed. Last summer I carried my aqua salt as my backpacking/hunting knife (instead of my benchmade bushcraft).

I’ll disclose that I don’t have many knives and don’t know much about steel. I tend to find something that works and I like then use it for a long time.

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Re: LC200 N or H1 whats the difference?

Postby NickShabazz » Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:14 am

LC200N is a much better all-around steel, in and out of the water, whereas H1 has serious disadvantages for everyday carry (particularly in terms of edge holding). I'd recommend LC200N to anybody for general ownership and use, but would recommend H1 only to somebody who's anticipating the knife being wet more often than dry.
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Re: LC200 N or H1 whats the difference?

Postby JD Spydo » Tue Feb 27, 2018 3:32 pm

I'm getting a funny feeling that we are going to see more of these "nitrogen based" steels coming down the product pipeline before too long. With the success that H-1 and LC200N have both had thus far would lead me to believe that there is more in store in this most curious sector the blade market. It's funny too that Spyderco wasn't the first big gun on the market with H-1>> Actually Benchmade used it in one of their dive knives about two years before the TASMAN and some of the other Salt Series models ever say the light of day.

But I don't think that many knife makers during it's early stages were aware of the corrosion proof properties of H-1. And it seems that LC200N may even become more popular than H-1 before it's said and done because of it's better plain edge performance.

It is extremely curious to me as to why H-1 does so well in Spyderedge when it doesn't even rank as "average" in the plain edge sector :confused: ???

But I do believe both of these most interesting nitrogen based blade steels will be here for some time.

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Postby JD Spydo » Tue Feb 27, 2018 3:37 pm

Evil D wrote:
wrdwrght wrote:Have both PE H1 and LC200N and SE H1. I'll echo the Gringo and SF Native regarding performance.

Evidently the serrating process hardens H1 and renders SE H1 utterly magical.

Serrating LC200N has me wondering whether it might be made too brittle...
Does it work harden like H1?
That's an interesting question because I've wondered about that myself. I do wonder if that "Work Hardening" aspect isn't one of the hallmarks of nitrogen based steels in general? I sure wish that Cliff Stamp would start hanging around here again. I do remember him saying some technical stuff about H-1 in particular shortly before he disappeared from Spyderville. But I don't remember if that was one of the aspects he spoke of concerning that type of steel.

Nitrogen based steel is truly a different animal all together and I can actually tell just by feeling it with my fingers that it has distinctively different properties all together. Maybe our good Brother Ankerson might know the answer to that question. If he doesn't chime in soon I'll try to PM him.

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Re: LC200 N or H1 whats the difference?

Postby Wanimator » Wed Feb 28, 2018 12:49 pm

LC200n isn't wear hardening. It's a copy of Cromidor 30 bearing steel. It's heat treated.

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Re: LC200 N or H1 whats the difference?

Postby sal » Wed Feb 28, 2018 4:20 pm

Hi Cole,

Welcome to our forum.

Hey JD, I agree that we will see not only Nitrogen steels, but steels with Nitrogen added, like BD1N.

We don'e really know much about LC serrated. lab tests only. The first will be the Caribbean.

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Re: LC200 N or H1 whats the difference?

Postby Deadboxhero » Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:44 pm

sal wrote:
Wed Feb 28, 2018 4:20 pm
Hi Cole,

Welcome to our forum.

Hey JD, I agree that we will see not only Nitrogen steels, but steels with Nitrogen added, like BD1N.

We don'e really know much about LC serrated. lab tests only. The first will be the Caribbean.

sal
I'm very excited about BD1N.

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Re: LC200 N or H1 whats the difference?

Postby JD Spydo » Thu Mar 01, 2018 6:28 pm

Deadboxhero wrote:
Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:44 pm
sal wrote:
Wed Feb 28, 2018 4:20 pm
Hi Cole,

Welcome to our forum.

Hey JD, I agree that we will see not only Nitrogen steels, but steels with Nitrogen added, like BD1N.

We don'e really know much about LC serrated. lab tests only. The first will be the Caribbean.

sal
I'm very excited about BD1N.
Yeah that would be a great blade steel to use for the upcoming G-10 Harpy!!! hint, hint

But the nitrogen based steels have truly been a most interesting and very functional addition to the main Spyderco line up.

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Postby ThePeacent » Fri Mar 02, 2018 1:24 pm

JD Spydo wrote:
Thu Mar 01, 2018 6:28 pm
Deadboxhero wrote:
Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:44 pm
sal wrote:
Wed Feb 28, 2018 4:20 pm
Hi Cole,

Welcome to our forum.

Hey JD, I agree that we will see not only Nitrogen steels, but steels with Nitrogen added, like BD1N.

We don'e really know much about LC serrated. lab tests only. The first will be the Caribbean.

sal
I'm very excited about BD1N.
Yeah that would be a great blade steel to use for the upcoming G-10 Harpy!!! hint, hint

But the nitrogen based steels have truly been a most interesting and very functional addition to the main Spyderco line up.

to the point that my lineup is basically H1 in all shapes and colors :D

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LC200N hasa brilliant future and not only for those looking for rust-proof blades :cool:

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Re: LC200 N or H1 whats the difference?

Postby SpyderEdgeForever » Fri Mar 02, 2018 8:37 pm

sal wrote:
Wed Feb 28, 2018 4:20 pm
Hi Cole,

Welcome to our forum.

Hey JD, I agree that we will see not only Nitrogen steels, but steels with Nitrogen added, like BD1N.

We don'e really know much about LC serrated. lab tests only. The first will be the Caribbean.

sal

This is so cool, amazing, and incredibly fascinating, sal. It is like we are living science fiction out into science fact right before our eyes, right?

I told you and others this before but when I was a youth I wrote various science fiction short stories and one of the ongoing background themes was the existence of a new stainless steel that was completely rust-proof, not merely rust-resistant.
At the time, metallurgical experts I spoke with told me that mankind would not, based on their estimates, create a truly rust-PROOF steel for at least another 100-150 years, or longer. They assured me at the time that 440 series stainless and 154 CM were the peak/apex of stain-resistant steel that was suitable for knife blades (300 series was mentioned but not considered good for edge-holding) and nothing would beat those for rust-resistance for at least another century.

And now you brought us h1 and lc200n. Thank you ! :)

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Re: LC200 N or H1 whats the difference?

Postby Doeswhateveraspidercan » Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:30 pm

Surfingringo wrote:
Sat Apr 08, 2017 2:21 pm
Lc200n has better edge retention in plain edge. It's definitely no maxamet, haha, but it significantly outperforms H1 in my use. The problem with both of these steels is a lack of strength which can cause edge deformation when cutting harder media. H1 seems to be much more prone to that deformation and because of that will go dull almost immediately if pushed beyond its capabilities. Lc200n performs much better in that regard. My theory is this is largely a result of hardness. I believe Spyderco is getting their Lc200n to around 59 where H1 (if I had to guess) is probably closer to the mid 50's. Long story short, pe Lc200n meets my performance threshold for an everyday use knife or a fish cleaning knife, whereas pe H1 comes in a bit below that threshold.
I just saw where a knife you have collaberated on with Spyderco is coming to market, can you tell us all more?
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