Supernatural, Ghosts, Demons Thread

[MacLaren]

The victory was won at the cross by Jesus. We believers live in the victory NOW. Nothing to fear.
Lucifer was an angel of light, the most beautiful angel & a cherub of the throne room of God & rebelled because he saw how God loved us humans & put us higher than the angels. Through Jesus His Son He made us Sons & heirs. Lucifer could never be a son. Hebrews 1. And, yes, God did create evil. Isaiah 45:7.
One third of the host of Heavenly Angels sided with lucifer & were thrown down to earth where they appear as all the genies, djinn, grey aliens, venusians , trolls, leprechauns, faeries, demons, & any other manner of spirit that gives you the heeby jeebies.
Lucifers name was changed to satan & the angels became dark angels & they all can appear as anything they like, from beauty to ugly, animal to angel & have deceived many.
If you don't believe me, then try this.
Whenever you see them just claim the blood of Jesus over your self & them & then watch what happens next.
If they go off like a Catherine wheel on acid then that is good because they were a bad one.
If it is a Good God Angel then he or she will just love on ya.
O.

Amen.

I will say this.
I feel one of Satan' s most powerful weapon - deception, against man is for man to think that he doesn't exsist.
Furthermore, I would NEVER deny in front of anyone or any crowd that I am a deciple of Christ Jesus.
Christ Jesus is my Lord and Savior.

[Water Bug]

The ghost of Stevie Ray is in the thread. :eek:

I miss Stevie Ray Vaughan.

[The Deacon]

Guess I'm the odd man out. I don't believe in the hereafter and consider parapsychology and psychology to both be fields populated by a mixture of self-deluded wishful thinkers and charlatans. The only Ghosts, Wraiths, Phantoms and Seraphim I've ever seen or expect to see, have the Spirit of Ecstacy as their radiator cap or hood ornament. I do believe there are evil people in the world, I've even sold a few of them cigarettes and Little Debbie snack cakes, but I don't believe that the devil made even one of them do it.

[O,just,O]

We all get that deacon. That is some believe nothing that does not fit their view of everyday physical & "normal".
Fact is that Doc had two experiences that challenged his view of physical & normal.
This does not make him a self deluded wishful thinker or charlatan.
Unbelief adds nothing to any discussion on the subject of a thread such as this one.
What unbelief actually does is to make fertile ground for evil. Please understand that evil is simply defined as the lack of the presence of God.
The devil can do his best work when people believe that he or God does not even exist. It puts him undercover.
O.

[Dr. Snubnose]

Guess I'm the odd man out. I don't believe in the hereafter and consider parapsychology and psychology to both be fields populated by a mixture of self-deluded wishful thinkers and charlatans. The only Ghosts, Wraiths, Phantoms and Seraphim I've ever seen or expect to see, have the Spirit of Ecstacy as their radiator cap or hood ornament. I do believe there are evil people in the world, I've even sold a few of them cigarettes and Little Debbie snack cakes, but I don't believe that the devil made even one of them do it.

Thanks Paul for calling me a wishful thinker and charlatan.... Well since you are a non-believer of ghosts and demons... No sense haunting you...so may the fleas of a thousand camels infest your armpits... :p Doc;)

[i am travvy]

I have never had any kind of "supernatural" experiences. My parents have though. My dad was telling me how he's seen a lady walking barefoot through the woods wearing a red dress/gown and she was "glowing". Then she just disappeared. Also when his father passed away, after the funeral we all went back to his house. As soon as my dad walked through the door he said he saw this ball of light fly straight at him, hit him in the chest and then disappear. He also always hears his dad coughing when we are at that house. Now my mom always hears a little kid calling out for mom. I had a twin brother that passed away when we were babies. She thinks it might be him.

Now, I am not a religious person what so ever but if someone asked me if there was an after life I'd say maybe it's possible. Without having an experience for myself it's really hard to say.

[tvenuto]

We all get that deacon. That is some believe nothing that does not fit their view of everyday physical & "normal".
Fact is that Doc had two experiences that challenged his view of physical & normal.
This does not make him a self deluded wishful thinker or charlatan.

Correct! And Deacon did not say that he was. He was saying that, firstly, he does not believe these things exist. Thus, the people who make money off of the fact that these things exist must be self-deluded or charlatans. His first statement necessitates his second statement, due to logic. If I declare my profession is now "Unicorn Hunter," then I'm either deciding to delude myself into believing that unicorns exist (assuming they don't), or I'm planning on tricking others into paying me for doing something that I know can't be done.

Unbelief adds nothing to any discussion on the subject of a thread such as this one.

Except for that was the question? I mean I think it was anyway, Snubnose isn't always the clearest with his punctuation style...

...so what says you Ghosts, Demons, and Para-Normal specialists out there.... hookus pookus...or is there anything to this.....have any UN-explainable experiences of your own ...you care to share.....Promise not to think you are crazy!!!! Doc:)

Pretty sure "hookus pookus" is asking if you think it's all fake or trickery (like a magician).

What unbelief actually does is to make fertile ground for evil. Please understand that evil is simply defined as the lack of the presence of God.The devil can do his best work when people believe that he or God does not even exist. It puts him undercover.
O.

So, your definition of good and evil requires you label the Deacon as evil due to not believing as you do. I'll leave you to ponder that, and how that might lead to issues.

[Dr. Snubnose]

Great.... now there's a problem with my punctuation....What Deacon was referring to was shrinks.....since I'm one... It makes me wishful thinker and charlatan. I'm diffintely gonna look into another profession ...I'm thinking maybe Unicorn Hunter! Just so you all know .... Whatever Deacon and I type to each other is pure fun... Never any ill intent for sure. We just playing......so people don't take sides, relax and enjoy...the thread....love the way this thread is going....it's almost sort of ghostly.
(PS) I promise to work on my punctuation ....but I can't promise anything.....%#@&$?!"...Doc:)

[tvenuto]

Great.... now there's a problem with my punctuation....What Deacon was referring to was shrinks.....since I'm one... It makes me wishful thinker and charlatan. I'm diffintely gonna look into another profession ...I'm thinking maybe Unicorn Hunter! Just so you all know .... Whatever Deacon and I type to each other is pure fun... Never any ill intent for sure. We just playing......so people don't take sides, relax and enjoy...the thread....love the way this thread is going....it's almost sort of ghostly.
(PS) I promise to work on my punctuation ....but I can't promise anything.....%#@&$?!"...Doc:)

You don't have to work on your punctuation to please me, but if you choose not to end sentences in question marks, it requires some interpretation as to what you mean when you write. I was merely pointing out that it appears you wanted to know if people had stories, but also if they believed in demons at all. You'll notice I did not address your post, because it seemed like you and deacon were having fun with one another.

The only "side" I was taking is the one where everyone is allowed to share their opinion, which again, seems like what you wanted people to do, even if that opinion is: paranormal stuff is fake.

Another note: sarcasm is relatively hard to decipher when body language and inflection is inaccessible.

[Dr. Snubnose]

Was not talking to you! You did respond to this thread ( remember? ) (sarcasm).....and I didn't say you took sides... Man...Chill! Yes you got the original purpose and intent of this thread correct...but I have no other intentions Cept to please myself...?????....Doc:)
Body Language: cool calm and confident

[tvenuto]

Was not talking to you! You did respond to this thread ( remember? ) (sarcasm).....and I didn't say you took sides... Man...Chill! Yes you got the original purpose and intent of this thread correct...but I have no other intentions Cept to please myself...?????....Doc:)
Body Language: cool calm and confident

Haha ok, I have been chill this entire time. Also, you reference many things I said in my post, which made it seem like you were talking to me. Given that, I'm not sure even the above is talking to me :confused: :confused: .

[O,just,O]

[quote="tvenuto"

So, your definition of good and evil requires you label the Deacon as evil due to not believing as you do. I'll leave you to ponder that, and how that might lead to issues.[/quote]

Pondered it.
The connotation you put on my scriptural definition of evil leads to any issues that may occur.
Do you not see that you give the word evil more credit & power than it is due ?
Over thinking gets a muddle & riddle into the simple.
O.

[O,just,O]

All of this was worked out long before we came along. Read the manual.
Just like the rules of golf are all in a book & when we work on our cars it is so much easier to read the workshop manual instead of doing trial & error at the risk of damaging the motor.
O.

[tvenuto]

So, your definition of good and evil requires you label the Deacon as evil due to not believing as you do. I'll leave you to ponder that, and how that might lead to issues.

Pondered it.
The connotation you put on my scriptural definition of evil leads to any issues that may occur.
Do you not see that you give the word evil more credit & power than it is due ?
Over thinking gets a muddle & riddle into the simple.
O.

I do not see that, please explain.

[O,just,O]

Please understand that evil is simply defined as the lack of the presence of God.
O.

That is a biblical stance on it. 2 Chronicles 12:14. Ezekiel 18:25. Galatians 5:16-26.
Evil being the lack of the presence of God can be a situation where anything can happen . From nothing much to the worst possible things you can think of.
To say a person does not seek God in his actions does not necessarily mean he is axe murdering 24/7. He will still abide by the social moral code which keeps him from doing bad to others.
Jesus conquered evil (made it nothing for those who believe in Jesus) & left The Holy Spirit to in dwell us so we may live as in the Galatians reference. Choice is ours.

If you do not understand scripture, then it is hard for me to answer your question to your satisfaction.
O.

[Liquid Cobra]

To say a person does not seek God in his actions does not necessarily mean he is axe murdering 24/7. He will still abide by the social moral code which keeps him from doing bad to others.

So without god or social moral code, people would be doing harm all the time? Ludicrous.

[Reject]

Many years ago; when I was in my young teens.
I awoke in the middle of the night to see someone standing next to my bed.

I did what most animals under imminent danger do, I froze.

There was enough moon light coming through the window to see the figure, but not in detail.

It was to close for me to do anything; its body was up against the bed. I had to wait until it moved away before I could act. I had no idea what I was going to do; but I knew I had to wait.

But it didn’t move away. I got the feeling that the person had realized that I had woken up. It began to move not away, but across the bed, across my body and now with my eyes following it, straight through the wall.

I know I wasn’t dreaming, because I did not sleep for the rest of that night.

One for the psychologies out there. Can we battle the demons that torment us in our dreams?

When I was a child; not sure how old, I had dreams of impending doom.
Those dreams. like you are falling and the moment of impact is always getting closer and closer. Or you are being dragged or pushed to a cliff and there was nothing you can do about.

Basically; ever increasing pressure and terror until you wake up sweating and shaking.
It was happening most nights.

We were not a family of hugs and cuddles nor one of faith. You’ve got a problem, you fix it was the norm.

I decided that I had enough and was going to fight back. Had no idea if I could; but I was determined to try. It did not work first time, but slowly over many nights. I manage to be to able to have some conscious impute into my nightmares.

It involved a lot of cursing! Like “NO. you are not %$#@ing doing this &^#! to me. You *&^% $#@! piece of &^%$.” And other such not so polite phrases were used to convey that I would have no more of it.

It is one of the few battles I can clam to have won. The dreams stopped after about a month.

On religion; If asked, my rely is that “I believe in God, but I do not believe in religion.”
The reason for that are many but I put to you basically in this way.

The wisest people in the world can not agree on which religion is correct.
And I am just a fool. Who am I; to tell another person that their faith and their life are wrong. Just because they live and see things differently to me.

[shunsui]

Well demon lovers, tonight's your night on Fox TV.

https://youtu.be/5NH3ffAp9aA

[tvenuto]

Please understand that evil is simply defined as the lack of the presence of God.
O.

That is a biblical stance on it. 2 Chronicles 12:14. Ezekiel 18:25. Galatians 5:16-26.
Evil being the lack of the presence of God can be a situation where anything can happen . From nothing much to the worst possible things you can think of.
To say a person does not seek God in his actions does not necessarily mean he is axe murdering 24/7. He will still abide by the social moral code which keeps him from doing bad to others.
Jesus conquered evil (made it nothing for those who believe in Jesus) & left The Holy Spirit to in dwell us so we may live as in the Galatians reference. Choice is ours.

If you do not understand scripture, then it is hard for me to answer your question to your satisfaction.
O.

I was asking where I give evil more "power and credit" than it's due. I didn't say you thought Deacon (or any other non-believer) was an ax murderer 24/7. He clearly isn't, and must at least take some time away from ax murder to dust his kiwi collection, feed his dog, etc. I am merely working under the assumption that evil is generally to be avoided, and that, according to the definition you related, god and/or belief in god is required for this. As such, it does not appear the choice is ours, as you say. We do not have the choice to "be good" without god, because, again by the definition you've related, god is required for good and his absence is defined as evil.

In plainest possible terms, my question is: if evil isn't "bad" then what's the point of worrying about or avoiding it, and what makes it distinct from "good" at all? Which follows that: if evil is "bad" and the lack of belief in god alone is enough to create evil, then you are necessarily making some decision about a person that does not believe in god (or believe as you do about god), absent any other information. It's the second part that I find potentially hazardous, and the many wars that have been fought over religion (and continue to be) count to me as evidence that this line of thinking is being used in practice.

I do not mean to derail this discussion into something too esoteric, so as I told maclaren, if this requires a new thread or PM discussion then I'm happy to continue there instead.

[Dr. Snubnose]

Please keep the discussion here... I don't think we are getting too esoteric. I think the discussion is very relevant to the thread. I have found in my experience that people act in accordance with their belief systems...you may not agree with someone or believe what they might believe... But an understanding of what others believe gives one a clue into their thinking and subsequent actions. I have always been an advocate of teaching young children in our schools about world religions... But that's a no no in the schools....maybe if they were to describe the coursework as "People's of the World - Belief Systems" (take religion out of the title) might fly then... Regardless I believe if people had that exposure to others belief systems they would be more tolerant and understanding of others thoughts and actions...Doc:)