As silly as it may sound, one of the things Crucible had was how simply it was to understand steels :Blerv wrote:... it just has decades more in name recognition.
This one has seen some grinding action...PayneTrain wrote:It does take noticeably longer to sharpen than many steels in my arsenal, but I'm one of those guys who finds the sound of steel grinding on abrasive to be rather soothing.
It sure is, thanks again ! I don't have any S90V yet, but I found 20CP one of the harder steels to sharpen, up there with S110V and ZDP-189. So far ZDP has been the hardest for me, but my skills are still improving.VashHash wrote:I found it was a good steel but for me S90V worked better. I found the 20CP easier to sharpen though. Hope that para is treating you well.
Who made the fixed blades? A custom maker? This is actually the first I've heard of another 20CP knife.TomAiello wrote:I have a couple fixed blades in 20CP that I am really fond of. I also have the same 20CP PM2 that you do. It's a great steel. Honestly, I find it identical in performance to m390, and I usually carry my m390 PM2 when I'm carrying a PM2, because I prefer the handle color.
I am the Product Manager for the Knife Blade portfolio at Carpenter. To put it simply, we have not had a lot of interest for 20CP. The initial order for Spyderco was processed about 5 years ago, before I arrived here. At 2.2% C there are not a lot of folks interested in ordering the material. In the passed five years I have had one inquiry which we had to decline due to a production issue at that time. CTS 20CP is also a stainless tool steel also known as Micro-Melt 420-CW Tool Steel. We routinely melt and produce the material but it goes to other applications, have 7,000 lbs. of powder processing this week and almost 14,000 the first week in July. The challenge is finding the demand for 1,500 lbs. of material in a sheet or plate form. But, some one wanted the material, we will gladly make it.
In regards to the comments about naming, there is method to our madness. The CTS is intended to have a brand recognition. If it starts with a B, its origin is a bearing steel and if ends with a P means it is a powdered product. If it has a BD in the name, it was designed as a knife product (Blade Design). Example The mule out now from Spyderco is CTS B70P, its origin is a patented bearing steel CRB 7, so it is a bearing product which is powdered and the 70 is a mental note for the 7 in CRB-7. The only other letter we use is a Z which refers to a razor blade design (CTS BDZ1). Any other combination comes from a tool steel hence CTS 204P, comes from a stainless tool steel Micro Melt 20-4. From here you should be able to crack the code on CTS 20CP and its origin Micro Melt 420-CW.
From: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=59120" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;Bags14 wrote:OK, normally I do not jump into the forums but just read them to get a feel for what is going now.
In real life I am the Commercial Manager for Knife Blades for Carpenter Technology and I need to clear the air here.
In regards to CTS 20CP:
over the last couple years we have developed CTS XHP, 40CP, B70P, BD4P, BD30P, and 204P and we have slab material for OEMs like Spyderco to order from.
We have CTS PD1P in development and we are debating an insane material Maxamet for the market.
CTS 20CP is still there but we have not focused on it. If the market is interested we will be more than happy to make the material.
You know, I remember reading posts by him but I didn't remember what about. I'm a little embarrassed now. :rolleyes:FCM415 wrote:Thanks Bags14 (again).
I remember your post from two years ago when it was last brought up:
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I would be curious if he has the same issues time wise if he switched to diamond/CBN abrasives.Zenith wrote:... for me as a collector I want a hand rubbed satin finish.