JD Spydo wrote:I'm really surprised to see that >> GOD knows I've had dozens of Spyderco models with FRN handles and still own quite a few and I've put two models in particular through some of the most horrid working conditions and I've truly abused them as well. But I've never broke or chipped or had an FRN handle fail me in any way.
Now granted I do like G-10 better than I do FRN handles because they just seem to have a much more confident grip factor. But if there is a model or design of Spyder that I like I can assure you the FRN handle won't dissuade me from buying it.
This makes me wonder if this wasn't some type of quality control failure or just flat out a factory defect? Let us know if you discover what made this happen Cliff because I'm truly surprised to see this and I'm also very curious as to what made this happen.
Jim, I explained as to how it broke, claiming conspiracies and calling people a liar are strictly against the rules of the Spyderco form. It was damaged during carving wood, the handle snapped.Ankerson wrote:
Something very odd with that... Almost looks like it was beaten to me.
paladin wrote:there appears to be some previous damage that topmost rivet/fastener just out of frame...
maybe we could get pics that enhance that area, perhaps
I blew up the photo, something odd, discoloration in the crack area, darker than the surrounding material, very strange.paladin wrote:Cliff, could there be a chance the previous owner is not telling the truth...or maybe not the WHOLE TRUTH
Perhaps, you were an eyewitness at the moment the damage happened...
Otherwise the account of the way the damage was incurred is just circumstantial...
I don't think Jim insinuated anyone was lying, at least I didn't take it that way...
But when detective work is involved, deception is a POSSIBLE suspect...
Of course that can be factored out of the equation if you were an eyewitness or if you vouch for the veracity of the account on behalf of the claimant...
Your word is good enough for everyone here :)
Yeah something is definitely odd, almost like it was burnt or heated. :confused:paladin wrote:It seems, at first blush, from the pic evidence the fracture roughly follows the arc of the rearmost blade radius.
Predictably enough, it likewise appears the FRN failed "in-between" the bi-directional "volcanoes" where the stock was thinnest, with the exception of the last volcano that suffered catastrophic failure midline... :eek:
The torque may have been centered around the pivot area.
Ordinarily, it should take A LOT of lateral stress & leverage to snap there, I would think. :confused:
Of course, if the FRN was faulty that's another story... :eek:
And I do see the discoloration along the "fault line" now that you spotted it Jim...good eye, brother! :spyder:
This is always possible, however is this how you want the forum to be ran? Any time someone posts a problem they have with a product they are accused of lying and misrepresenting what they did? Can you imagine, even for a minute that is how Sal wants to see dialog on the forum? That kind of nonsense is why people can't have critical discussion of many products on other forums and they end up making those posts elsewhere. I know the guy, he is a friend of mine. The chance of him making up that story and then letting me know on the off chance I would post it here because of some odd conspiracy he has against Spyderco is beyond insensible. It is like seeing a knife chip and then concluding that Aliens fired their Lazors at it at night when you were sleeping and that is why the steel is behaving oddly.paladin wrote:Cliff, could there be a chance the previous owner is not telling the truth...or maybe not the WHOLE TRUTH
Surfingringo wrote:Paladin makes some very fair points. The frn might have failed during normal woodcarving but that is so far outside our common and shared experience with frn that it would be unnatural to NOT look for some other logical explanation...most of which would include no deception or dishonesty so why don't we all relax. There are no stones being thrown or battle lines being drawn.
How about this, when people post up reviews we accuse them of distorting the facts and imply they are intentionally posting false information. It is of course a possibility for example that they are lying to promote Spyderco because they have a conspiracy/agenda or maybe Spyderco even is paying them - these are all possibilities. Don't you think that would make the forum utterly ridiculous in a short period of time if that was how this forum responded to such threads? Or should that only be done to the critical/negative ones?paladin wrote:
I think it is just as valid for me to ask is there A POSSIBILITY that there may be duplicity involved ...
Again, it depends on the material and the individual.Since not much was proffered up by you, I don't think it is unreasonable to think MOST ANY knife would not suffer that kind of catastrophic failure from "normal" pedestrian wood carving.
Mine is still in one piece after I tested it doing exactly that when I ran it, and I do have strong wrists and I do torque the blades etc when I do the wood cutting. Usually have to put all my weight into it taking the deeper cuts and torquing them out.Cliff Stamp wrote: What would I conclude from that - well it isn't unreasonable that someone could shear that material if they had a decently strong wrist and they did a lot of heavy cutting. If you cut into wood and the blade gets stuck, and you do that kind of very strong drive you can force the blade through. Based on the way the material deformed and the material in the above actually cracked. It would seem likely to me it was some kind of material defect. But the only way to know that is to over load a bunch of them and see if they all crack in that area (which would point to a design stress focal point) or would they just crack in random locations.
Again I have seen all kinds of failures on all kinds of knives simply due to the volume I handle. Even more so than that I get made aware of a large amount of defects because people know I am interested in it. As always I suggest they contact the maker/manufacturer.