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Innovation - discussion

Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2002 12:00 am
by sal
Someone had posted a question on Bladeforums’ General forum about innovative companies. In a thread like that involving companies, I feel better not getting involved. I don’t think they are looking for company input, but it did set me to thinking, especially with the definitions posted by Serg & others. I’d like to thank those participating in the Bladeforums thread for spawning this thread.



I thought that it might be an interesting topic of conversation “at home” on the Spyderco forums. It also made me think about what Spyderco has done in the past year that was new, and how that might compare with other knife companies.



For definitions or classes of innovation, I have listed some that came to mind. I’m sure that you can add, subtract or modify the concepts.



1. Revolutionary – Innovation that causes major changes in an industry or begins new trends.

2. Evolutionary – Innovation that alters, improves or causes changes in keeping with the direction of the trend.

3. Trends as opposed to designs – A group of ideas building off of each other while adding refinements to the concept trend.

4. Refinement – an improvement, however small that evolves a design or trend.

5. New design – an innovation where a new pattern, size or material is being used but there is otherwise no new idea involved. Still requiring some innovative effort.

6. Sum total of “new” examples of the above in a given year. (a measure to determine a company’s effort to “improve&#8221<img src="wink.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>.



With the above definitions, I “remembered” the past year at Spyderco. Significant changes in management and restructuring same took the bulk of our effort. In spite of that adversity, Spyderco managed a few “new” things in 2002.



Some of these accomplishments are just coming out in Dec ’02 so whether or not these are thought of as ’02 late or early ‘03



1. Cobra hood – introduced on the Salsa – I would classify this as evolutionary in that it combined the opening hole with the disc concept into a synthesis. Creating a “thumb rest” was the “evo” result of the blend.



2. Integral Compression Lock – This also came out on the Salsa. - I think the integral [part is “evo” to the “New Lock Trend” and a “Refinement” of the Compression lock.



3. The Wire Clothing Clip – Introduced on the Salsa as well – “evo” on the “Clip Trend”.



4. Phantom Lock – Introduced on the MeerKat – I think that this is just a ”new design”. The lock concept has been around, as has the “Navigator” pattern.



5. Pride – a “new” non-locking folder (slip joint) using the basic Navigator pattern – The flags or logos could be considered “novel”, but otherwise, it is a “new design”



6. Jester - A “new design” based on “refinements” of the Ladybug – The “refinements” were significant enough to cause a “new design”.



7. Ultra fine ceramic Triangles – a “refinement” of the Sharpmaker



8. Diamond triangles – a “refinement” of the Sharpmaker



9. The Lum Tanto Fixed Blade – a “refinement” of an earlier design by Bob Lum



10. Temperance Fixed Blade – A “new Design” from Spyderco



11. SPOT Fixed blade – a “new design” from Spyderco & Fred Perrin. One also might call it a refinement of the Perrin “laGriffe” or an “evo” to the “neck knife trend”.



12. Janich “Ronin” – a “new design”. Could also be call “evo” or a “refinement” of the “Neck knife trend”



13. Kiwi – a “new design”. Perhaps a “refinement” to the “Gent’s folder Trend”



14. Rescue 93mm – a “refinement” of an existing design.



15. The Lil’ Temperance – intro’d in late ’01 – Perhaps, along with the Salsa and Meerkat, contributing to the beginning of the concept “Big Little Knife Trend”.



16. Impala – a Scott design – a folding guthook that is buried in the handle. A “new design” or “refinement” of folding hunters.



17. SpyderHawk – a “new design”.



18. The WTC project – a “new design”, a “new lock” (listed below), The acquisition and processing of the steel, The change to another “new design”. All in all, a considerable project.



19. The USA Native changing from CPM-S60V to CPM-S30V (current run). A “refinement” to the Native design.



20. The Maddox Fixed blade – a “new design” perhaps an “Evo” in the industry for handicapped humans.



21. The Ball Bearing Lock – a “new design” in locks. Certainly a “refinement” or even “evo” in the “New Lock Trend”



22. Very custom Mosaic Damascus being used on a production knife – Ed Schempp’s skill made available is at least a “refinement”.



All in all, I would have to say that Spyderco has been quite busy of the past year. We also have more than 10 “innovative” designs in line for ’03. The “look back” was interesting.



Soooooo………



What are some of the “innovations” that have come out in the past year?



SOG’s new auto – a “new design” and “evo” in the Auto Trend”.



Benchmade’s new McHenry / Williams lock – a “new design” and an “evo” on the “new Lock Trend”.



What else?



sal

Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2002 5:11 pm
by AllenETreat
Sal -

My "feeling(s)" on this : widgetry.

And, I don't give a "fig"(Dickenspeak)

Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2002 5:35 pm
by J Smith
I like alot of the things that spyderco has done this year.Some of the best would be the phantom lock,Kiwi if only it had a clip,and refinements to the wire clip may get me to like it.

SOOOO!,I see the internet is on the computer now!....Homer Simpson

Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2002 7:39 pm
by CKE
It has been quite a year. It always amazes me when you Sal " the man at Spyderco" posts and replies to us forumites. That is a real honor. I have changed the way I collect/use knives this year. I have almost exclusively bought Spydies, and now I am spoiled. Nothing from any other company this year has caught my eye.
My compliments to you Sal and all the rest at Spyderco. When you take into account all the things that come with buying a Spyderco why would you buy anything else?
Thanks and keep up the excellent work Spyderco!!!

"everything else is just a jeep"

Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2002 8:15 pm
by J Smith
I have been hooked on Spydercos for a few years now.I own no other knife.I did see one at a gun show a couple of weeks ago that I really liked and may get.It was a MT Lightfoot CF PE.If the CF Delica is going to be patterned after the 25th anniv. knife I think it will look very much like the MT.

SOOOO!,I see the internet is on the computer now!....Homer Simpson

Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2002 8:51 pm
by 4 s ter
Sal

No one could argue with the spirit and practice of innovation at Spyderco. I admit that not all of the innovations hit me in the same way. There are those that don't appeal to me (Impala, Phantom lock) - but may appeal greatly to those with other interests. Some I'm neutral on but experiencing them in use may convert me (Cobra Hood, Wire clips). Finally, some just seem to grab me and result in product I just "must" have (Lil' Temp, SpyderHawk, Native evolution).

I'm sure as long as Spyderco continues their wide-ranging program of innovation, introducing new products and constantly improving on the current models, there will always be products which will "grab" consumers and make their knives (and other products) a "must have"

Keep up the great work!

David

"Not all who wander are lost"

Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2002 1:44 am
by The Cool
Innovation is the single most important thing that attracts me to Spyderco's. It's why despite expensive forays into the custom market, I will keep coming back.

Mr Glesser, your vision and balls (may I say that?) to continually push your company forward in design is inspirational.

I believe the famous victorian painter/anatomist George Stubbs said, "truth is beauty" - and in Spyderco, I see a continual search for the truth, and a beauty in design that reveals itself in function.

Thanks a lot!

Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2002 9:18 am
by RLR
I believe that "tinkering" is also part of the whole deal. We change lock styles, clip styles, steels, handle materials, etc... but at the end of the day we have but one question left: Do it do what it's supposed to do, every time, the right way. The answer with Spyderco is usually YES!

I am not a lock freak - gimme a solid lockback or liner and I'm fine (OK, the axis lock rocks too, but that's another forum). I am not TOO MUCH of a steel snob. This said, VG10 is the best thing I've used. Clips - tight and not too tough on clothing and I'm happy, or clipless.

So is it about innovation, evolution, revolution, neo-artifact-super-duper-retro-ocity? No. It's about reliability and the best **** knife you can get. Case in point - the KIWI. Best knife of the year, bar none. Should win Best Knife of the year, decade, whatever. And guess what - no clip, no fancy lock, no man-made super-duper material in the handle. It's perfect, with perfect steel, ergos, everything. It is revolutionary? NO. A new evolution in knives? No. An update to a few classics? Probably. The best knife for me? YES!!!

That's about it. Thanks Sal for making the perfect knife.

Happy Holidays everyone. RLR

Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2002 10:27 am
by sven
some things that i admire, most of the knives look different. each new model has its own look, its own feel, its own personality. i look at benchmade's knives and i see alot of the same ideas and same looks. maybe that's just me and i'm not saying anything bad about BM. there are a few that may look like eachother, for instance the endura and delica, but each fits in it's own niche. almost every <img src="spyder.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0> i have picked up has just felt like an extension of my own hand. the prices are great too. i'm not afraid to take any risks with my <img src="spyder.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>'s. i know they can handle it. if i were to carry an expensive folder (even if i carried it!) i would be always cautious of what i used it for. spyderco's dedication to customer satisfaction has amazed me. this forum is great. a place where people can talk about this wonderful subject we call knives and where we can get and recieve feedback from people within the company that we love so much. thanks to Sal and all the folks at <img src="spyder.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>co for all that you do. it is greatly appreciated.

take care
sven

"trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make your paths straight."proverbs 3:5-6

Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2002 4:06 am
by dialex
Spyderco definitely IS an innovative company. New materials, new locking systems, new shapes and refinements to existing models - The evolution of the FRN Endura (or Delica) for eg. That's a great thing.
Other companies, on the contrary, are set on improving their existing standards. Emerson, for instance has basically linerlocks. And they are doing them OK and successfully. I think this could also be a good appoach.
Yet, I can't stop thinking of BMW and Rolls-Royce. One IS innovative, the other WAS conservative. BMW took RR eventually.
However, I think that competition is a good thing and I hope that other brands will be able to keep the pace with Spyderco in the benefit of us all.

Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2002 12:44 am
by AllenETreat
I can "sum"it ALL up in one word, gang :

NEW 'Spyderhawk" to arrive soon!<img src="tongue.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>

( along with "tide-bearings" for my

favorite forumite(s)! Won't mention :

Voxnaes, Samo, DiALEX & Medic 2110 (to

name but a few!)!)



E Pluribus Unum ( out of many, one,)



-AET<img src="wink.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>

Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2002 2:00 am
by Alan2112
Sal, I think everyone here knows that <img src="spyder.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>co leads the way in inovation, and has since at least 1981! The high tech locks are the big thing right now, like you touched on. Before I forget <img src="spyder.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>co is heading in the right direction, keep up the good work guys! I look for more models to be introduced in 30V, it looks like a good carbon steel to me, and since it's the hot steel right now. I'd like to see more models with inserts like the Vesuvius, that inhance it's appearance. I think models like the Pro-Ventor, and the fixed blade Moran models would be fine examples for such visual enhancements! I would like to see <img src="spyder.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>co develope a lock similar to the axis lock. The only other thing I can think of that's popular right now is the assisted opening, the Onion design being the best. I like this feature, but it's way down on my list of prefered features. RKBA!

Edited by - Alan2112 on 12/11/2002 2:10:08 AM

Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2002 2:09 pm
by Joe Talmadge
Part of the difficulty is that I can't remember when who came out with what. Here are some general impressions, though I can't swear they're all just a year old:

<b>Spyderco </b> 's "little big knives" trend kicks up a notch, though it's not clear the rest of the industry is following yet. MBC is an innovative concept -- purpose-designed knives, specifically tested to meet enumerated design criteria, and a training program to go along with it. Different lock mechanisms seem to be gathering momentum. New emphasis on small to mid-sized fixed blades hits the right niche.

<b>Benchmade </b> 's axis lock is older than a year, so no credit this year for making the lock trend hot. Ditto the use of tool steel in folders with modern designs. Rather than innovations this year, they've just executed with excellence.

<b>Buck </b> makes the leap from yesterday's news to proof that they can be relevent with the Strider. The Strider is nothing new as far as overall trends, but it's Buck's first successful attempt (IMO) at a folder with a modern design, executed very well.

<b>Kershaw </b> knows who butters their bread. Completely irrelevent just a couple years ago, they introduced Ken Onion's innovative mechanism and modern designs. This year, they just continued to execute well.

<b>SOG </b> is the man of many faces. They continue to look around, find cool things, and incorporate them. Spydercard? Got it. Leatherman? Got it. Kershaw assisted opener? Got it (now). No real innovation innovation in folders, but they've watched the trends and incorporated them into usually-well-done knives. In fixed blades, they've evolved their line.

<b>Gerber </b> has upgraded their folder line to include modern-design tactical folders ... just as others are moving past that. I'll wait-and-see on them.

Emerson catches the karambit trend, Microtech catches the Balisong.

Overall, while there is some wonderful execution and evolution going on, I'm not sure I see any big innovation this past year, unless little-big-knives catches on. The use of high-end materials, custom collaborative designs, and better locks in production pieces are all well-established by now. Karambits are hot, IMO a fad, but a cool one that I'll likely get caught up in myself. A plethora of really well-done mid-sized production knives with excellent materials is a trend that's been going on for a while but really picking up steam.

Joe

Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2002 8:09 pm
by sc_rebel1957
For me to trade off 90% of my collection for <img src="spyder.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>s says alot.
As discussed earlier <img src="spyder.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0> is moving forward with each new model that comes out.
Be it using different metals on some models or the Phantom lock/ compression lock, different scale materials theres always something new and exciting going on with this company.
I severely HATE negative comments about other brands but it seems like BM has lost direction.
By this i mean some new models would take a CNC machne to resharpen all those different angles.
To some this would be a attention getter for sure but if I were to need 1 knife in the field I shudder to think how i'd sharpen the thing.
I like change, but I like it to be a justified change, not a marketing ploy. Ron

Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2002 2:33 pm
by Joyce Laituri
What do you all think are important innovations from companies OTHER than Spyderco. There have been some good ones this year in the industry and I'm interested in your opinions.

Joyce

Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2002 5:04 pm
by spydieman
That's a good question, Joyce. I have been so into Spyderco this year I haven't kept up with other brands. I have seen the new Carson Flipper on some CRKT knives and seems to be quite innovative. Kydex sheaths have come a long way as well.

Mark.

Edited by - spydieman on 12/16/2002 5:06:02 PM

Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2002 5:49 pm
by sc_rebel1957
Joyce I do like the new M-16 red G-10 scales from CRKT on their fire/rescue models.
Now how about a 93mm Rescue in red?

The Ken Onion deal has been Kershaw's saving grace, I handled a Vapor today and it seemed like a quality knife considering the cost.

Using BG-42 in SOG'S Auto Clip instead of the 440A I like also.
Altho my son's 440A A-C has been in knife purgatory for 4 years and still lives.

As said earlier the only brand i've bought this year has been <img src="spyder.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>s so i can't comment on much else about other brands. Ron

Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2002 9:42 pm
by Kahz
Spyderco = Adventure = Exploring New Boundaries

Just seven months away and Spyderco creates more than I can catch up with... which is a good thing. Never a dull moment with Spyderco.

Thanks Sal and everyone at Golden, CO. Spyderco Rulz!

Kahz, SpyderLady Catching Up! = Loyal SpyderPerson

Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2002 10:36 am
by Just Me
Joyce,
Have you seen the CRKT Mako shark knives? They are the Urban Shark series. Wow. What a great little knife. The design, the materials, the ergos, the feel and the low cost.
Wow!

Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2002 12:31 pm
by Sword and Shield
CRKT has some good ideas that could be great given a little more development.

Take the LAWKS system, for example. While it works fine, it is quite hard to get used to, and I venture nearly impossible to use under duress. Now, a lock-for-a-lock is a good idea, but this one needs fine-tuning.

Never underestimate the impossible.