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Ok folks, I've been carrying and using the Tusk for a couple of weeks now and I guess it's time to share what I have learned.

I would like to mainly focus on the performance of the knife and steel but I will try to give my impressions on the actual knife and design first. I was really pleased with the knife from the moment I opened the box. The knife really is a work of art. Two different blades with different locks put together seamlessly in such a small package. Pretty impressive! The build quality is excellent. Tight lockups on both blades and very smooth action. The knife has a very solid feel...I would almost term it "overbuilt". The (Knife) blade is quite thick for being so short and is fairly thick behind the edge. The thickness goes all the way to the tip too. This thing is not going to be a typical Spyderco "slicer". Between the thick blade, ti build and built in marlin spike which can double as a makeshift prybar, I would feel comfortable terming the tusk a small "hard use" knife.

One additional note before getting into the performance review is on the ergonomics. I was blown away. Seriously, in the forward grip with finger in the choil and thumb on the spine this is one of the most comfortable spydies I have ever held. Fits my hand like a glove! That they were able to build such a radical design with dual blades and locking mechanisms without sacrificing anything ergonomically was quite an accomplishment. Color me impressed.
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Ok, so I like the knife. Let's get on to what I have discovered in the last two weeks. First lets talk about corrosion resistance. I tried very hard to make this knife rust. I couldn't do it. I fished with it every day on my kayak so it was constantly soaking in saltwater for 4-5 hours a day. When I got home I would leave the knife in the sink, still salty, and would purposely not rinse it all day. After a week of this treatment there was no rust so I decided to step it up a notch. I have a center compartment in my kayak where I keep a few emergency supplies. It's not really watertight so there is always 1/4-1/2" of saltwater in the bottom of the tray. I left the knife in there during my fishing trips and would even leave it soaking in the heat and saltwater overnight. After 48 hours of this there was zero visible rust. Nothing. I can't say exactly what it would take to make it rust but I know that what I have done with it so far would cause any other stainless steel to be eaten up with rust. I am satisfied that I could have this steel on the ocean daily in extremely corrosive environments without any corrosion issues.
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Now on to the edge retention part. I compared this steel pretty extensively against plain edged H1 and got some really interesting results. I'm going to give you the data but I'm not going to make you wade through it to get the answer. You want to know if it beat H1 in edge retention in my tests? Well, no, it did not beat it. It destroyed it. Not even close. Here's what I found.

The first few days I would bring the tusk and my PE Salt 1 to the cleaning table everyday to process fish. I would use them both for an equal number of cuts through meat, skin, scales and bone. I was very careful to give each one the same number of cuts on the same material using the same pressure. The results were obvious. The lc200 held both a shaving edge and a working edge MUCH longer than the h1.
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Well, I knew I was going to have to provide you guys with better data than that (and I wanted to confirm the results I got on the fish) so out came the rope. I use these knives to do a lot of fish cleaning which sometimes involves high pressure cuts against fairly hard skin and bones so I wanted to try to mimic that kind of cutting. I chose a 3/8" dense nylon rope. This stuff is HARD to cut! I had both edges beveled at 30 with a 40* mb on the corners of the brown rods. Fairly coarse edges that would clean shave with no pressure against the skin. Even on the first cuts I had to use 15-17 lbs of pressure and a once forward, once back motion to make a clean cut. Tough rope. I also used an s30v Millie as a benchmark. Here's the results.
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S30v:

10 cuts - After 10 cuts the steel was still very sharp. Little notable deterioration.
20 cuts - Steel had lost it's "hair popping" edge but would still easily shave in 1 pass
30 cuts - Less bite against thumb. Still shaves without "scraping" but takes two passes
40 cuts - Still shaving but started to require a bit more pressure on rope.
50 cuts - Starting to struggle more with rope. Will only scrape shave.
60 cuts - Still scrape shaving, but requires two passes.
70 cuts - Shaving same as 60 but slightly more pressure required on rope.


Lc 200n:

10 cuts - Still quite sharp. Very similar to s30v after 10
20 cuts - Still shaves without scraping but sometimes takes two passes.
30 cuts - Starting to struggle a bit with the rope. Still scrape shaves easily.
40 cuts - Increased pressure needed on rope but still scrape shaves easily. Similar condition to s30v after 60 cuts.
50 cuts - Still scrape shaving. Edge condition similar to s30v after 70 cuts.
60 & 70 cuts - I was able to finish out 70 cuts with the tusk, but by 70 cuts I was having to use quite a bit of pressure to make the cut. It should be noted that the lc200 would still scrape shave with some effort even after 70 cuts.


H1:

10 cuts - More dull than s30v after 70 cuts. Similar to lc200 after 70 cuts. Will barely scrape shave
20 cuts - Will only cut rope with extreme pressure and sawing. Will not scrape shave. Edge is dead.



That's it guys. Those are my results. I found them so surprising that I resharpened everything and performed the entire test again, only to get almost the exact same results. The h1 would always give up the ghost after about 15 cuts on this very tough rope.

Ok, I know this was a simple test and it wasn't performed in the most scientific of manners but the results were obvious. When cutting through hard material that requires a lot of pressure, PE h1 doesn't do very well at all. I already knew that from the fish cleaning I've done with it. I was quite surprised, however, by how well the lc200 n performed. I wish I had had a vg10 blade to compare it too. Given how well it held its own against s30v I suspect it would have fared even better against vg10. Maybe someone else can try that. I'm sure some of you are wishing that I had carried on with the lc200 and s30v to see how far they would go. I thought about it, but honestly by the time I stopped, all of the edges were well past the point at which I would have sharpened them. I had all the information I needed and I'm kind of lazy by nature so I stopped there.

Ok, before I leave y'all with all this info, let me add a couple of caveats. The rope used in this test is a very hard nylon fiber and probably presents unusual challenges to an edge because of the amount of pressure required. I am mentioning this because I remember a post Sal made where he mentioned that their testing showed lc200's edge retention similar to h1. That may be the case on certain mediums like cardboard but it certainly wasn't on the fish, skin, bones and rope that I tried it on.

Ok, I've got plenty more to say on the subject but this post is WAY too long already so I'll open it up to discussion.
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Hi gringo!


And THX Much for such a nice review.

It's very nice to see the cutting performance compared with S30V and H1. :) :spyder:

Regarding the grip, are the Ti slabs any slippery when using with soaked wet hands?
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Hey LC kid, I have used my ti Millie (and now the tusk) extensively on fish and have never had any issue with them feeling slippery, even when covered with blood and guts.
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Awesome review!!! :spyder: :) :spyder:

Sal can we please, (pretty please - with diamonds & CBN on top), have LC-200 mules? :)
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Awesome Bro!

Guess I'll get my new Tusk and put it to work with some Giant Peacock Basses. :D
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As Cliff always points out, science is merely trying something, making an observation, and reporting what you saw. You even went so far as to try and control things that might skew your observations. I'd say your testing was plenty helpful, and unusually "real-world."

Thanks for taking a look at this unique model, I'd venture to say you sold one or two for spyderco with this review. Glad to see it's working out well!
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LC Kid wrote:Awesome Bro!

Guess I'll get my new Tusk and put it to work with some Giant Peacock Basses. :D
Peacocks! Yeah! I am making a trip deep into the Amazon in January fishing for those guys! :D
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Thank you! Excellent review and tests, great pictures.
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Awesome review Lance and thanks for sharing! The results you got for the edge retention is very impressive
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I am kind of surprised nobody has mentioned the implications of some of these findings. They are relatively significant in my opinion.

First of all, if this steel has "h1 like" corrosion resistance and better plain edge performance then we have a new option for making a better performing Salt knife. Also, unlike h1, this steel can obviously be used in the Taichung factory and possibly in the USA factory too. This steel can also be used with a liner or frame lock whereas h1 cannot. I would have to hear what Sal says, but who knows, maybe it can even be flatground.

The point is, if this is truly a better performing steel (in pe) with similar corrosion resistance then this could open up all kinds of new opportunities. Want a Military Salt? Well they now have the technology. In fact they could effectively grind a lc200 blade and put it in a ti Millie and give us a rust proof millie right now. Want a gayle bradley salt? Maybe that could be done too. The way I see it, there are some very real and new opportunities in front of us with this steel. Of course "the way I see it" isn't always "the way it is" so hopefully Sal will stop by and comment on this.
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tvenuto wrote:
...I'd say your testing was plenty helpful ...
Nothing unscientific about what was done not only were attempts made to compare in an impartial manner, secondary checks were used (poly) which had more precision (less random scatter) to confirm the observations on the more direct, but more scattered, direct work.
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That's it guys. Those are my results. I found them so surprising that I resharpened everything and performed the entire test again, only to get almost the exact same results.
LC 200N should be very similar to AEB-L in terms of holding an edge in the type of cutting you are doing. I would expect it to be ahead of the H1 (strength and wear resistance) and you show it to be about 3-5 times higher. I have seen performance of 2-4 times higher on cardboard and ropes looking at H1 vs AEB-L so your results seem perfectly reasonable to me. The only thing I would caution is that those types of steels are prone to having weakened metal left at the edge due to the way they can deform in dulling. I would be curious if you cut the edge off completely and sharpened it again would you see any difference in the H1. I find it very easy to over sharpen that to the point the edge can be weakened due to how easy it is to grind.

As a side note, my brother won't use the PE Salt at all for the reason you noted about the difference in behavior when cutting soft materials vs hard ones. He will simply roll/dent the edge too fast and vastly prefers the standard VG-10 ones. He has a SE Salt which works as a stable knife (he keeps horses) with no issues however.
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Would it be good if there were a Tusk with a slightly longer blade, say in the 3.5 to 4 inch blade length, or, is the current blade length ideal?
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SpyderEdgeForever wrote:Would it be good if there were a Tusk with a slightly longer blade, say in the 3.5 to 4 inch blade length, or, is the current blade length ideal?
Well, if I were asking for an adaptation of the tusk, I would probably request something with about a 3.5" blade and a serrated Hawkbill in place of the Marlin spike. That would be an interesting knife!
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Gringo, great "in field" report, thanks...

As for the marlinspike...Has your's developed a divot or snag points where the spike bangs into the Ti scale when snapping closed? Mine has
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paladin wrote:Gringo, great "in field" report, thanks...

As for the marlinspike...Has your's developed a divot or snag points where the spike bangs into the Ti scale when snapping closed? Mine has
Mmm, not really. There is a bit of a rough spot on each side that you can barely see and feel with the fingernail, but nothing I would call a divot. In all fairness though I really haven't used the marlinspike that much. Thanks for the correction. ;) Not a tool I've ever really used.
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mine has developed a couple of little "burrs" than would constitute as a snagpoint by definition...

I am pretty sure they developed because of the differential in the hardness of the 2 metals...

BTW, Gringo I wasn't correcting you, I just wished to emphasize I was focusing on the marlinspike since most of your review ( justifiably so ) focused on the blade...

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Well thought out and presented! Thanks for the great write-up! Certainly looks like a winner to me for those living in/around the water and want something big more classy.

The spike is cool but I think it's a feature that costs the average user more than it provides. Might be nice to see a non-spike version as well.
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One more important point I left out of the review. As most of you are aware, h1 is very prone to scratching. After the amount of cutting I did in the last two weeks the Salt 1 is pretty much one big scratch. Seriously, it's actually hard to see the original grind lines because of the scratching caused by all the cutting. The lc200 n of the Tusk on the other hand does not show any scratches. Nothing. Not one single blemish. That's after cutting through fish and bone, cardboard and rope. The blade looks exactly like it did when it was new. Honestly, the tendency of h1 to scratch easily is not a big deal to me but the difference between it and lc200 was so great in this regard hat I thought it worth mentioning.
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Well, that settles it...

We need a mule in LC200 :cool:
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Surfingringo wrote:I am kind of surprised nobody has mentioned the implications of some of these findings. They are relatively significant in my opinion.
The thought crossed my mind when I read your review (I clicked on it when there were 0 posts and 1 view), but the implications have taken some time to rattle around my brain. Ti Millie and PM2's impervious to rust with good edge retention is one **** of a prospect, not to mention a Ti Manix with an open ceramic BBL. The implications are truly immense and far reaching, as those are only 3 popular models in Spydercos lineup that are made in Golden. When you think of the Taiwan models it opens up a whole new range of possibilities.

I'm curious as to how serrated LC200 performs...a titanium handled ceramic BBL Manix2 with a SE Hawkbill LC200 blade could really be a game changer (Better than a PM2 or Millie IMO due to the added thickness of the handle to facilitate a hawbill blade).
paladin wrote:Well, that settles it...

We need a mule in LC200 :cool:
That depends on whether LC200 can be flat ground, which in and of itself would be another game changer.




I predict interesting results in future...
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