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Hello everyone. I was wondering what is the method that is used to sharpen serrated edges with the 701 stone?

You have two sizes of corners to get into different size serrations. Use slow strokes maintaining a consistant angle. Then remove the burr from the back side.

Another method is to sharpen the back side just like a straight edge. You have to get the angle low enough for the stone to hit the tips all the way go the bottom of each serration. Then remove the burr from the inside of each serration. By doing this you don't take the chance of destroying the serrations. This is the method I prefer. You can do it all with the 701 stones.

Jack

And if you want them and don't have them. CS as them marked as discontinued.

So it seems like I need to sharpen each serration individually.

808spyder wrote:So it seems like I need to sharpen each serration individually.

yes :) . taking time on each serration you should get sharper than on the 204

808spyder wrote:So it seems like I need to sharpen each serration individually.

Yeah that's what you got to do :) But it's not rocket science or nuclear physics it's really just a matter of just using some good instinctive "horse sense".

You simply find which of the radii on the rods fit the particular scallops of the serrations you are sharpening and file them inward toward the edge ( not away from the edge). You also do the same for spike part of the serrations as well. Find out which corner of the rod fits the best and file it in the same fashion.

The 701 Profiles are also great for plain edged Hawkbills. They are also great for plain edges of any variant. For years I've been asking Spyderco to do some type of instructional video/DVD not only on the 701 Profiles but all of the other great Spyderco sharpening tools as well.

If people knew how versatile of a tool the 701 Profiles are I bet just about everyone here on the Spyderco Forum would have a set. Most people just aren't aware of how great of a tool the 701 Profile kit is.

.357 mag wrote:And if you want them and don't have them. CS as them marked as discontinued.

What's marked as discontinued? None of the 701 products are so marked:

ProFile Set - 704MF
ProFile Fine Stone - 701F
ProFile Medium Stone

I just ordered a 701MF and I hope they come with good instructions. I'm absolutely without experience, and I can't find any videos on using them. All my knives are Spyderco SE. I've spent the past hour looking for advice on how to do it, and I still have about a billion questions.

-F1 wrote:What's marked as discontinued? None of the 701 products are so marked:

ProFile Set - 704MF
ProFile Fine Stone - 701F
ProFile Medium Stone

I just ordered a 701MF and I hope they come with good instructions. I'm absolutely without experience, and I can't find any videos on using them. All my knives are Spyderco SE. I've spent the past hour looking for advice on how to do it, and I still have about a billion questions.

There now on the spyderco discontinued list. If you need help, JD spydo seem to be the main man on SE blades and the 701

Maybe you're thinking of the "Outdoor ProFile" (702) products?

Edit: Thank you, 357. I just found the discontinued list myself. 701 stuff is on there.

-F1 wrote:Maybe you're thinking of the "Outdoor ProFile" (702) products?

No, I just looked again. All 701 stones are on the discontinued list. They show this in the discontinued thread.

First I hear that the H-1 Spyderhawk is history Now I hear that the 701 Profile kit is going to be discontinued :confused:

The 701 kit may be the very best and most versatile field sharpener as well as the very best sharpener for serrated blades on the market at this time >> it just doesn't make sense at all unless they have something better in the pipeline.

IF they were to put out a video/DVD on the proper usage of the 701 files they wouldn't be able to keep them on the shelves I'm sure of it.

I know the bottom line of any business is cash flow and profit margin but the Spyderhawk and the 701 Profiles are truly great products that could be remedied by better marketing.

Now I'm going to have to spend all my X-mas $$ on Spyderhawks and 701 Profile kits :rolleyes:

Is the following the correct way of using the 701? I would be grateful for others' advice!

1. Hold the grey stone vertically with one hand, the stone supported at the bottom by something horizontal.

2. Hold the knife with the other hand, and position the knife at about 20 degrees from the stone (i.e. the vertical).

3. Match the radius of the stone to the size of the serrations, and draw the knife downwards along the length of the stone. While drawing the knife down, at the same time move the knife backwards toward yourself so that the heel of the knife blade is in contact with the stone first, and the tip of the blade is in contact with the stone last when you reach the bottom of the stone.

4. Repeat step 3 with the other side of the serrations.

5. Repeat steps 3 and 4 with the white stone.

So all of you that know how to use the 701 stones get the blades shaving sharp? What angle do you use and I assume you guys are using a downward motion. So sorry for my inexperience but I like my serrated edges and really want to know how to sharpen them properly with the coveted 701s.

808spyder wrote:So all of you that know how to use the 701 stones get the blades shaving sharp? What angle do you use and I assume you guys are using a downward motion. So sorry for my inexperience but I like my serrated edges and really want to know how to sharpen them properly with the coveted 701s.

I'm fairly competent with them and serrated edges but not real good. I only have one serrated knife (plus kitchen bread knife) so haven't had much practice. Caution, take your time. It's real easy to destroy a nice serrated edge. You can sharpen a plain edge almost blindfolded, just keep a consistant angle. But serrated edges you have to watch more closely. Use a marker and mark the inside and back of the blade. As you stroke inside each serration use slow strokes making sure to hit the edge and keep the angle as close to the original as you can. Try not to round off the tips. Remove the burr from the back side of the blade. I would stroke the stone toward the edge just like a plain edge. Not reverse like stropping. I don't know if that really matters though.

Another method and the one I use is to sharpen the back of the blade just like a plain edge. You have to get the angle VERY low so each stroke will hit each tip and the bottom of each serration. This can be very time consuming the first time depending on the blade grind. But if you can do this all you need to do inside each serration on the other side is remove the burr. This reduces the chance of screwing up a nice looking blade. This is how I do it. I have an Edge Pro so I use it to get the back side then the 701 stones to get the burr off the inside of the serrations. You can use the 701 stones to sharpen the back side of course. If you do this be careful not to scratch the side of the blade. If you have a hollow grind blade and use too low of an angle you will scratch the blade where the spine get thick. Use painter's tape to protect the top half of the blade.

I hope this helps. Like I said I am not really good at serrated edges. I have the knowledge from reading but not very much experience. The first couple I did using the first method I described I completely destroyed the appearance of the edge. It was sharp but looked like a narly tooth shark's mouth. :)

Jack

Haven't watched it yet but check out this video from jdavis882.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjAVUT1E ... ploademail


Jack

Edit: I watched the video and am going to try what he did. I have heard of the method he used but had a hard time believing it. But seeing is believing. You can use the Sharpmaker with this method I've heard as well. Mainly, you keep the same angles that came on the knife. I'd love to hear input from folks here on the way he sharpened the edge. I think you need to go slow so the stone doesn't jump off a tip and land on the other side of the serration and miss the side next to the tip the stone just touched. Nice video. I still think it will be hard to keep those very pointy tips that come from the factory. I bet they use a machine though. I know, I'll get a machine like Spyderco uses. Maybe I can get one for under $5,000.00. :eek: :D Truthfully, I have no idea what they use.

Jack