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Böhler N360 ?!
Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 6:28 am
by Bouddha77
Hi !
I have found nearly no information about the Böhler N360 steel.
Does anyone know how this compares to either M4 or ZDP189 ?
Any specific reason why Spyderco is not using it ?
Thank you
regards
Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 7:43 am
by rosconey
its out as a mule right now
Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 7:56 am
by Slash
I think you just want to know about it cause zt used it on the 0777, right?
never used it before so can't say how it would compare to m4 or zdp.
why Spyderco is not using it? Not sure. I don't think they have many steels from bohler. I could be wrong but the only steels that I can think of are the new mule m390 and the Lion Spy with elmax that comes from Lionsteel.
But, I'm sure if the steel is good and the price is right we'll see it soon from Spyderco.
Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 7:56 am
by toomzz
Try to google on Böhler M390 and after that ask your questions again.
BTW welcome here Bouddha!
Cheers,
Tomas
Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 8:51 am
by emel
I know the spec sheets are on the Bohler website, but why answer him "try to google on Bohler M390", he wants to know about N360.
Think he knows how to use google.
Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:24 am
by Bouddha77
Thank you, right.
Unfortunately, the specs of N360 does not give me comprehensible benchmark comparison to other steels like the ones I mentioned.
Regards
Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:52 pm
by toomzz
Oh, there is a N360 from Bohler. My mistake, I'm sorry. That means you guys are better informed than me!
:cool:
Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:58 pm
by N. Brian Huegel
Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 1:17 pm
by mongatu
Check this link out for some info on Bohler steels, including N360.
http://spyderco.com/forums/showpost.php ... stcount=55
Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 1:31 pm
by phaust
The CATRA testing results Kershaw had at Blade showed its edge holding to be basically identical to 440c, which puts it well below M4 and ZDP189.
Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 1:41 pm
by razorsharp
correct me if im wrong, but cant it be treated to mid 60's+ , or is that a different microclean steel from bohler
Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 1:49 pm
by Chris_H
Spyderco likes to use the higher/highest quality steel available in the country of origin or manufacture. Unfortunately, there aren't many Spydercos that are made in Europe. The Volpe and Hossoms used N690Co, and now so does the Squeak. The pending LionSpy will be using ELMAX. However, there are specific occasions where steel is imported (e.g., Mule in M390, Taiwan production).
As for N360, it is just now getting mention around the forums by ELUs, likely because of it being identified by Kershaw in the 0777.
Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 2:15 pm
by sal
Hi Bouddha,
We haven't done any testing on that BU steel. As I remember, when going through their specs, I felt the carbon was not enough on N360 for our normal knives. Do you have the specs handy?
sal
Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 2:27 pm
by jossta
Sal, there are the specs. Tried to pull out the composition from there but I saw what looked like composition 2 or 3 times and didn't want to pull the wrong one since they were slightly different.
Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 2:30 pm
by sal
Hi Chris,
BU is now stocking steel in the US. I think that N360 is one of the alloys they have here.
On the models made in Italy, we used N690 and Elmax because we felt they would be better performers. But I believe that even Elmax and N690 would have a tough time competing with ZDP and M4 in abrasion resistance.
sal
Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 6:07 pm
by michaelm466
Hey Sal,
Any testing or insight into Vanax 75? Seems to have a good amount of Vanadium, high wear resistance?
Vanax 75: C 0.2, N 4.2, Si 0.3, Mn 0.2, Cr 21.2, Mo 1.3, V 9
Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:17 pm
by sal
Vanax was nice. They're having trouble delivering Vanax right now.
sal
Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 1:31 am
by Bouddha77
sal wrote:Hi Chris,
BU is now stocking steel in the US. I think that N360 is one of the alloys they have here.
On the models made in Italy, we used N690 and Elmax because we felt they would be better performers. But I believe that even Elmax and N690 would have a tough time competing with ZDP and M4 in abrasion resistance.
sal
Do you mean that N690 is from the same supplier and would perform better than they N360 ?
regards
Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 7:52 am
by Slash
Hey Bouddha77, I think you should start a post with what you use or plan to use your knives for. That would dictate the type of steels you should be using. I don't know your experience using different knife steels. But, I think some people could help you decide on a good steel for your needs.
It looks to me that n360 is highly stain resistant due to the low carbon content. That usually leads to a compromise in strength and edge retention.
Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 11:59 am
by toomzz
check, enough to be learned here....
:o