Spyderco Chokwe vs Benchmade 940

[SnowCrash]

I know I bug you guys a lot with these types of questions, but I've been trying to figure this one out for some time now. I just placed an order for the 940 and i should be seeing it tomorrow or the day after, and I might order the chokwe for a comparison and return the one I don't want to keep. The problem with that is both knives are so great I might hesitate on returning either.

Both are S30V and Chokwe is a liner lock compared to Benchmade's axis lock (which doesn't look too beefy to me, over the years seems like it would wear and the blade would no longer lock) The blade lengths are about the same with the Chokwe being slightly longer open and closed, but the 940 has that beautiful reverse tanto shape where it gets the benefits of the tanto without the drawbacks

What you guys think? The spydie is about $100 less :confused:

Oh and this is for a tactical edc blade, mostly the tactical part XD

[syphen]

Part of the proceeds from the Chokwe goes to HIV/AIDs research if I am not mistaken, which instantly makes it a better buy :)
And there is some good threads about how that knife came into production that really make it a special knife. I'l like to order one sometime soon.

[jabba359]

What makes you think the axis lock would wear and not lock? It's a highly respected lock that has many fans. As for the two, I'd prefer the Chokwe only because, as you said, it's about $100 less. For that price difference, I could also almost buy a Paramilitary 2. But, since you're looking for a tactical blade, of the two I'd go with the BM 940. The Chokwe has a thinner blade that would be a better slicer, but I think I'd prefer a more robust tip like the 940 has for "tactical" use.

[SnowCrash]

I prefer to keep my business and my cheritable donations seperate, if I wanted to donate my hard-earned money to AIDS research, I'd do it directly rather than buying something for a defensive tool that could possible save someone's life one day when it was made with AIDS research kept in mind...

Besides, I never buy from spyderco direct so I don't think that donation occurs from third party sites :spyder:

[SnowCrash]

What makes you think the axis lock would wear and not lock? It's a highly respected lock that has many fans. As for the two, I'd prefer the Chokwe only because, as you said, it's about $100 less. For that price difference, I could also almost buy a Paramilitary 2. But, since you're looking for a tactical blade, of the two I'd go with the BM 940. The Chokwe has a thinner blade that would be a better slicer, but I think I'd prefer a more robust tip like the 940 has for "tactical" use.

Well I have a benchmade griptillian here with me, and when I'm looking at the inner mechanics, the cut out grooves for the blade to remain in the locked open/closed position are rather shallow and with a little bit of wear they would not function. Had they been made of titanium or something that I know for sure wouldn't wear, I would think otherwise

[laplaga]

I have handled both in my opinion the spydie is one smooth operating knife it opens fast and feels very strong but then again I'm a spydie fan. I test them for yourself but I love mine.

[cckw]

I don't understand the $100 cheaper. Depending on where you buy it looks like $10-40 difference.

I agree with you on the charity thing. I don't even give to the united way. they skim to pay staff etc (check the salary of your local united way director) I choose my charity giving carefully and give as close to the need as possible.

Axis lock is excellent.

So now it is knife style vs knife style. so just keep the one you like the best in hand without any other consideration.

[SnowCrash]

Actually I payed about $170 on amazon for the benchmade 940 because i included a bottle of loctite blue and 1 day shipping, forgot about that. Spyderco Chokwe is about $90.

Looks like I'll probably want the 940 for its more solid blade. Chokwe is a beautiful knife but I wouldn't want it to break in half due to the thin nature of slicers if I have to use it in a severe situation. The chokwe would be much faster to deploy with some zip-ties though, can't really do that with the 94:rolleyes:

[Blerv]

I think you really have to handle them or go with the brand/style that wins you over.

They are completely different knives with the only real similarity (in my mind) being similar is small pocket profile and the classy-tactical style.

The Axis lock is VERY tough. The Chokwe probably slices far better with the grind and blade shape (sheepsfoot-FFG vs reverse tanto-hollow/saber grind). The Chokwe is over 3.5" where the 940 is under it which caters to some legal restrictions depending where you live. The Chokwe has a G10 scale vs the aluminum handle of the 940.

In my mind: Chokwe vs 940

Grip: Chokwe
Blade-Slicing: Chokwe
Blade-Tough: 940
Lock-Strength: 940
Lock-Simplicity (rattle free, etc): Chokwe
Build Location: I don't care but 940 is USA.
Price: Chokwe
Cool Factor: Ethnic funky = Chokwe Modern Tactical = 940

[Blerv]

Actually I payed about $170 on amazon for the benchmade 940 because i included a bottle of loctite blue and 1 day shipping, forgot about that. Spyderco Chokwe is about $90.

Looks like I'll probably want the 940 for its more solid blade. Chokwe is a beautiful knife but I wouldn't want it to break in half due to the thin nature of slicers if I have to use it in a severe situation. The chokwe would be much faster to deploy with some zip-ties though, can't really do that with the 94:rolleyes:

Don't underestimate a FFG quality blade for toughness. You won't open paint cans with them as well but people aren't paint cans. :p It's still strong enough for chores like breaking down cardboard boxes, etc.

I'm sure you will like the 940 regardless. It's a very solid knife and fine for EDC or defense.

[SnowCrash]

I think you really have to handle them or go with the brand/style that wins you over.

They are completely different knives with the only real similarity (in my mind) being similar is small pocket profile and the classy-tactical style.

The Axis lock is VERY tough. The Chokwe probably slices far better with the grind and blade shape (sheepsfoot-FFG vs reverse tanto-hollow/saber grind). The Chokwe is over 3.5" where the 940 is under it which caters to some legal restrictions depending where you live. The Chokwe has a G10 scale vs the aluminum handle of the 940.

In my mind: Chokwe vs 940

Grip: Chokwe
Blade-Slicing: Chokwe
Blade-Tough: 940
Lock-Strength: 940
Lock-Simplicity (rattle free, etc): Chokwe
Build Location: I don't care but 940 is USA.
Price: Chokwe
Cool Factor: Ethnic funky = Chokwe Modern Tactical = 940

Why did you have to go and make it that much harder for me to decide :D

I suppose 1 more knife couldn't hurt....maybe in a bit though. I just recently sold most of my non-spydies: kabar tanto, cold steel espada XL, kershaw shallot- most of which because they are illegal to carry in texas, which is where I'll be moving 2011

For now, I think I'll stick with the 940...USA is a plus IMO, everything built here just feels like it has more quality that it's chinese/japanese counterpart

[Michael Janich]

The Chokwe is actually a Reeve Integral Lock (aka frame lock), not a liner lock. The lock side is made from titanium, which offers great strength but is actually softer and more prone to wear than hardened steel. The design of a frame lock, however, naturally compensates for wear and titanium's ability to gall ("stick" to other materials under pressure) makes it a great material for that application.

Real "tactical" application implies some type of actual training in combative skills and tactics. What system of knife tactics do you practice? That could have a significant bearing on your choice.

Happy Holidays,

Mike

[dbcad]

The design of the Benchmade has been around for a while with refinements I'm sure. Go with the knife you like best whichever it is.

Personally: I don't buy for tactical. I don't have that need. I did buy the Chokwe and it is a really good slicer, very well made, and really elegant. With the benchmade I dislike studs, they get in the way and take away from the knife.

Whatever works for you snowcrash.

[Blerv]

Why did you have to go and make it that much harder for me to decide :D

I suppose 1 more knife couldn't hurt....maybe in a bit though. I just recently sold most of my non-spydies: kabar tanto, cold steel espada XL, kershaw shallot- most of which because they are illegal to carry in texas, which is where I'll be moving 2011

For now, I think I'll stick with the 940...USA is a plus IMO, everything built here just feels like it has more quality that it's chinese/japanese counterpart

Oh I don't know. Because it's fun?

Personally I have sold all my thumb stud knives that were worth anything to buy more Spydies. I just like the control the hole offers over anything else (personal preference).

The Taiwan plant that makes the Chokwe is the same place that makes the Gayle Bradley and Sage series of knives. They have been touted as one of the best makers in the world and often a notch above some from Seki City Japan, Golden, etc. If the "Golden, CO" stamp makes it seem better that is certainly your right as a consumer. Just know it's not coming out of a giant bin and blister-packed.

My biggest qualm about some interesting designs is they are love/hate to the consumer. Non-ethnic models seem to be generally accepted by the masses while usually not as frantically sought after.

I'm with Mike though. If you are buying a knife for self-defense that's a whole different ball of wax. Luckily it's his niche and he can point you in the right direction. :)


Edit: My basic ranking was exactly that: basic. A RIL lock is strong as **** and a reverse Tanto is still a serious slicer if sharpened properly. How it feels in hand and it's overall aesthetics will make the biggest difference, IMO.

[SnowCrash]

The Chokwe is actually a Reeve Integral Lock (aka frame lock), not a liner lock. The lock side is made from titanium, which offers great strength but is actually softer and more prone to wear than hardened steel. The design of a frame lock, however, naturally compensates for wear and titanium's ability to gall ("stick" to other materials under pressure) makes it a great material for that application.

Real "tactical" application implies some type of actual training in combative skills and tactics. What system of knife tactics do you practice? That could have a significant bearing on your choice.

Happy Holidays,

Mike

I was learning the F.I.G.H.T. system lately but I found that some of the statements made in it I do not agree with, so I'm not actually sure which system I should go with. I'll be trying some Vladimir Vasiliev videos because I'm also Russian :D

[araneae]

No disrespect intended, but this is a Spyderco forum. You are apt to get Spyderco slanted opinions here. I buy almost exclusively Spyderco because after trying other brands I like :spyder: the best. There have been several of these "pick one" type of thread here lately and they may be better served by posting on BF or another forum.

Your thought that the Chokwe was designed with AIDS research in mind puzzles me. Are you implying that they paid less attention to the design because they were thinking about charity work?

My understanding is that the donation is made by Spyderco regardless of purchase location. Perhaps research the inspiration for the Chokwe using the forum search function. Its a cool story. Wonder what Clovisc is up to?

[Dagon]

I have both.
The Benchmade has a certain unique style with its reverse tanto blade. It should satisfy you. Lock is good. My only annoyance is the chalky feel of the handle.
Chokwe is very different - actually I've never seen someone hesitating between the two. A very well made framelock and a superb slicer. Also good for food.
Of the two I prefer the Chokwe, it fits my usage better.
Regarding tactical use, if that's so important then I'd rather pick a Paramilitary than either the 940 or the Chokwe.

[sal]

Hi Snow.

Two completely different designs that would be difficult to compare. They were designed for different goals with different parameters.

sal

[markg]

I believe the proceeds to the selected charity are off the proceeds of all knife sales of that model, not just knives sold through the SFO. So knives from a dealer would also contribute. That would be how it normally works.

The Axis lock has a good reputations and any worries about its' long term durability should be put to rest.

We tend to romanticize our knife purchases. We want them to do it all, last forever and never wear out or break. Truth be told, most of us will get tired of a knife and get a new one long before the knife is near worn out. If you are looking for a knife to survive Armageddon, a folding knife is the last thing you want to consider.

The knives in question are two very different knives. The 940 is actually less of a "tactical" folder and more of a gentleman's knife on steroids. I have seen threads on other forums of people who tried to do things with the 940 you should not, and it will surprise you on what it can take. However you will never feel like you have a "tactical" folder in your hands.

As for the Chokwe, I have never handled one. Have considered buying one a couple of times, but have just never have gotten to it.

[SnowCrash]

Thank you for all of the insight, guys!

For a tactical blade I have the Police 3 g10 model (to have it and not need it at work, hopefully).

The cold steel spartan was going to be my main tactical but the bead blasted finish on it is already showing signs of discoloration on rainy day #1, so it's getting a return tomorrow....I have been looking at the kershaw zero tolerance line for the similar blade shape and design

I should be getting the 940 tomorrow and see how it handles in my hands and if it truly is worth $150...

In terms of the Military, I see no reason for me to get one if I already have it's slimmer, taller brother, the police (and with a backlock at that) Maybe I'll just wait till more 2011 items come out