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SE vs PE for all does one...
Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 12:53 pm
by Grego77
An EDC knife, for utility, self defense, etc...which would edge style (Spyderedge or plain edge) would you guys recommend...a true one does all, or atleast as close as we can come to that.
Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 12:55 pm
by Grego77
To add...in terms of size/model, looking heavily at it being a Military or Police3.
Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 1:07 pm
by The Deacon
Some tasks can be performed more efficiently with a serrated blade, some with a plain edged one. However, there are several things you can do with a plain edged blade but not with a serrated one, for example skinning game, and nothing that can be done with a serrated blade that a plain one cannot do. Really comes down to deciding which will work best for the tasks you normally perform with your knife.
Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 2:26 pm
by xavierdoc
If in doubt, PE.
I love the Spyderedge but it is less universally useful than PE.
Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 3:20 pm
by Monkeywrangler
For me, PE only. I do not like serrations. I find them difficult to maintain.
Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 3:56 pm
by awlriteeden
I've been EDCing a SE Para for the past two years, and have recently decided to go back to a PE of some sort (either a Delica or a PE Para).
Since you're considering the Military, you might want the CE version. More than enough plain edge where it matters, and the small section of serrations should be enough for the rare occasions where you'll need it. If I was going to EDC a Military, that's what I'd go with.
Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 3:59 pm
by Evil D
PE unless you need to cut a lot of rope.
Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 4:04 pm
by Ankerson
Never really liked SE so I would say PE.
Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 4:10 pm
by 00max00
Always PE. Get SE when
1. never owned SE.
2. Desire same model but want cheaper.
Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 4:12 pm
by Cobra4246
PE all the way I never cared for the SE models
Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 4:17 pm
by NervusNorvus
I've tried serrated blades but always got frustrated at some point, when I encountered a task the serrations couldn't handle. Like whittling or precise peeling and scraping. Now I only buy PE blades.
Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 6:47 pm
by DMgangl
I prefer both. when gifting a knife, for people new to knives, who do not know how to sharpen. I will give them a SE knife since it will stay sharp longer. I also have to cut 3' cardboard and corrugated plastic pads into strips to pack out parts at my work. A SE knife will keep a working edge longer then a PE knife. Also for me unless the knife has an odd shape (Cricket), I do not have a hard time sharpening it.
A PE is great for detailed work and some food prep. I don't do a lot of kitchen work with my folders. But sometimes picnics, pealing apples, needing a sharper knife then the knives my GF puts in the dishwasher, my folder will come out and get the job done.
DM
Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 9:14 pm
by LDB
I like combination edge. It gives the pe for delicate work and the se for raw cutting. I wish more knives offered a combination edge option.
Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 9:31 pm
by bawb
i have been caring PE for years now and i have never stoped and thought this would be much easier with a SE but that is just me
Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 10:00 pm
by bada61265
xavierdoc wrote:If in doubt, PE.
I love the Spyderedge but it is less universally useful than PE.
ditto, if you have to ask choose a pe.
Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 10:52 pm
by Armalite Native
I cut with the first inch of a blade but saw with the belly. A combo edge would probably suit the OP. I never get full SE as the other posters stated PE can do anything SE can do - but it won't work in the reverse.
A good thing to note - PE ALWAYS sells out before SE in shops. I sometimes wonder why spyderco bothers with full SE models as they don't seem to sell anywhere near as well.
My 2 Serrated cents
Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 2:52 am
by jezabel
It's really about what your comfortable using, and whether the knife is right for the task at hand.
Just as PE grinds & blade shapes differ, the same applies to SE blades. An SE blade can be every bit as useful and effective as a PE blade yet it an take more exploration and research to find the right SE blade configuration for you. Most folks unfortunately never seem to give that too much thought and unjustly tar all SE blades with the same brush.
Generally speaking serrated knives are often given a bad rap, yet an appreciation of their design only comes from using them. While using an SE blade can feel unnatural at first for some, the more you use one the more you understand how to use one.
I'm never with out my SE Millie ever. In my experience this is by far one of the most versatile knives I've ever encountered. To me it's far more useful than a PE Millie (including my fancy pants M4 - RIL :D ) While I usually have a PE blade with me too (usually a D2 Para or Bradley M4), in a one knife only scenario I'd gladly carry my 440V SE Millie over any other folder out there.
Jez
P.s
- SE blades are NOT saws
- SE blades DO need to be sharpened
- SE blades are EASY to maintain with the right equipment (701 profiles)
Individual preference
Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 8:09 am
by oldmandon
A most interesting thread . . . I think it really boils down to personal preference. If it works for you, feels good to you, and looks good to you - it's the one for you! Only thing I would add is that both edges can be well sharpened with the proper equipment - the Tri-Angle Sharpmaker is my choice. Again, some will disagree on the 'best tool' for sharpening - it's personal preference. :)
Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 11:05 am
by Blerv
SE isn't difficult to maintain and with the edge retention benefits the sharpening are far less frequent.
A SE hawkbill will serve as a nice defense or EDC knife. SE traditional blade shapes definitely give up SD performance per Doc's tests. The Tasman/Spyderhawk is the work knife of many electricians/construction guys on this forum.
Of course the main disadvantage to a SE hawkbill is some tasks (like peeling labels) are impossible. They shine at everything else relating to making one thing into two pieces or opening things. That and they tend to be quite wide in the pocket.
Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 3:58 pm
by THG
1. If you're going to slice things, use a PE
2. If you're going to rip things apart, use an SE