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I have been thinking that the spring of the BB lock can be subject to small debris such as sand more then the Axis lock omega springs. This is not a Axis vs BB lock thread. This is for learning something new.

So...is there anyone willing to do the following to the BB lock? I wish I had a Manix 2, but my money is tight for a while.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgRTTz-lt6c

I've seen this video on Bladeforums, and the dog makes me chuckle every time.

However, I'm afraid the answer to your question is no from me, I will not be doing that to my Manix!

No thanks on me trying that test with my Manix 2 either. If I know I'll be in dirt or sand with a knife I'll just make the knife a fixed blade.

Charlie

Not sure they prove anything. If you take a ditch into wet sand, you are going to have to clear your gear before it functions as intended. Frankly wet sand in the tang cut out of a mid-lock will stop it from locking also.

If the knife lock can be cleared out with air (blowing) or water, then it is good enough for field use.

How about I just go carve up a digging stick with my M2???

-Paul

Seems plain silly to me.

Why?

Purposeless tests serve no purpose.

A knife will never have that much debris shoved into the lock in the hands of a smart user.

Using the knife to make a digging stick is the correct usage if you have to go play with the mud with your dog!

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Does seem like sand might prevent the spring from closing. I'm sure thinking about trying it. I would certainly if I had technical skills, a video camera, or someone who had either. Doesn't look likely to cause permanent damage. Also, not really such a crazy test--demonstrates that the knife would be fine after a fall in the sand, certainly within realm of possibility.

I don't think sand would bother a comp lock too much.

If bp hadn't messed up the beaches I would. Having trouble finding sand right now though. I also need to jam my m2 in the mud and dirt as well

Does this even matter? Someone is actually going to take the time to do this? :confused:

Of course you can end-run/defeat just about any locking mechanism if you really put your mind to it. Why bother?

99.9% of the time this is a non-issue. For that remaining .1% of the time the mechanism for some reason does get jammed, well then figure out how to deal with it. The manufacturer can never completely protect you from yourselves; at some point you have to rely on your own resourcefulness.

I can just see the threads now..."I was thinking about buying a Manix 2, but I heard the lock can get jammed up..."

Good grief.

If I had the CTS-XHP model ib I would do it with my 154CM model, but I don't yet. might do it anyway. Would consider it more likely for the spring to stick open leaving the blade stuck open and locked than to stick closed and not lock. This is how such a lock should fail IMO. *If* it were to at all. Pretty sure I could do this without much issue from what I know of the design. If I couldn't, and I really felt the need to do dumb things like dig with a closed Manix2, I would probably consider putting a sleeve over the spring to keep gunk out. However, I consider the above scenario highly unlikely and said sleeve to likely be unnecessary.

Firebat wrote:Does this even matter? Someone is actually going to take the time to do this? :confused:

Of course you can end-run/defeat just about any locking mechanism if you really put your mind to it. Why bother?

99.9% of the time this is a non-issue. For that remaining .1% of the time the mechanism for some reason does get jammed, well then figure out how to deal with it. The manufacturer can never completely protect you from yourselves; at some point you have to rely on your own resourcefulness.

I can just see the threads now..."I was thinking about buying a Manix 2, but I heard the lock can get jammed up..."

Good grief.

I don't understand why you think it is strange that I, and apparently some other readers, and more than likely Spyderco, would be interested in what the knife is capable of? Seems like one of the most appropriate uses of the forum I've come across.

BTW Defenestrate, the first thought that crossed my mind was to sleeve the spring too, but the sleeve would prevent compression unless it could enter either the bearing, or the spine.

This test would make more sense to me if one dug with the open blade.But I suppose if the idea was to see what would happen if you intentionally gunked up the lock, it makes some sense, sort of.

I agree with toughness and sharpness tests, and yeah abuse tests probably have their place. If you feel you can afford whatever damage might occur to your knife have at it, but please do it safely.

My current, but much milder test is seeing how much wood the Bushcraft will whittle before it really needs sharpening, attempting to carve a replica of the knife that's doing the cutting..lolol.

Personally and it's only me, I don't feel cramming dirt into my folders would be constructive. I generally don't run into those situations.

As long as your enjoying your knives :)

Charlie

Wow... some people are going hard!


Take it easy guys.

There is a certain romance every man (and woman) has with their "gear." We have this need to believe that every knife we buy would be able to last a lifetime, and be able to survive the harshest of environments. Every knife purchase should stand up to a season of "Man vs. Wild" or make it a few episodes of "Survivorman." If not we feel as if we have been ripped off somehow.

It is a folding knife, it can and will fail under the right (wrong) circumstances.

The point being, if you are in a situation where you might fall into wet sand or mud AND have a need for immediate need of your knife... Then a folding knife is not your best choice.

I would be more concerned about pocket lint...

If you find yourself on the beach with a bunch of sand stuck in your knife, I would suggest you walk to the water and rinse it off.

hahaha the dog! nice