MJ has a new Wharnie...Be-Warned

[Dr. Snubnose]

http://www.blackhawk.com/product/Be-Wharned,1245,37.htm

Doc :D

[224477]

WOW :eek:

Thanks for the link Doc.! Yojimbo-ish is gooood :D :cool:

[stonyman]

Doc, you beat me to it. You were the first person that I thought of when I saw this on their site. I am sure we will hear a bunch when these touch down in 09. Take care and God Bless!

[mark greenman]

Woot!! Thanks Doc!

I took a class with MJ this summer, he mentioned this bad boy (son of yojimbo, as he called it). Even cooler looking than I thought it woud be.

From what he told us, it will have a delica-size g10 handle, with a 3.5" blade!!
-downside is, AUS-8 made in Taiwan, liner lock.

I'll be looking hard at the meat tests for this one! :eek:

[ClockWork]

I loved to see it.

I love Wharncliffes and Janich designs...


But,,,

The link is dead

[KILLAFORNIA]

Liner locks? really? Well that just killed it for me , and I was so looking forward to this, ......o.k. maybe I'll still have to get one :D

[Agent Starling]

Cool...Yojimbo, 2nd gen, maybe??

Agent Starling

[Dr. Snubnose]

Yeah Liner Lock is a bummer.....Yojimbo with a liner Lock...I might get one just for the heck of it...but I'm not that happy about the lock...then there is always my Ronin ....Doc :D

[Fred Sanford]

Looks more like a Benchmade 425 Gravitator to me than a Yojimbo.

I like it........but I hope the real version doesn't have that printed crap all over the blade.

[Dr. Snubnose]

Looks more like a Benchmade 425 Gravitator to me than a Yojimbo.

I like it........but I hope the real version doesn't have that printed crap all over the blade.

I know what you mean David with all that crap printed all over the blade and I agree...not a good name should one have to go court before a jury, but I think trying to remove the printed material from the blade might even be more damaging if you catch my drift....Doc :D

[Dr. Snubnose]

I could be wrong but It seems to me that this new model is maybe an answer to the Yojimbo shortcomings. The Yo is an terrific SD knife but it slashes better than it thrusts...That is why I like the Ronin so much, it is a better knife for penetration and thrusting. It also seems to me that this new blade design follows the angles of the Ronin more closely than that of the Yojimbo. That would be my logic.....Doc :D

[raven]

Hey All, Here's a pic of the design ... Take Good Care and Be Safe Always.

God Bless :)


-raven-

[ClockWork]

Raven, thanks for posting the pic... for some reason the sight is not working for me.

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It looks almost like a Keating Hornet, but with a wharncliffe blade strapped onto it.

It also sorta looks like the blade is tilted upward. Its almost like it was manufactured wrong and the blade is not level.
The design and angle of the blade just look wrong.

I love wharncliffe blades... but this one isnt quite going to do it for me. :o

-Clock
:)

[Dr. Snubnose]

reposted from another forum:

Thank you all for your interest.

The knife will have coarse-textured G-10 handles (American-made G-10--the same pattern used on Cold Steel's AK-47) with nested (recessed) hardened 420J stainless steel liners. Although it is a liner lock, it is a well made and well engineered liner lock. The ramp is radiused rather than flat and the lock release is flush with the edges of the handles, making releasing the lock a purposeful effort.

Liner locks typically fail because of either bad design or bad execution. Bad design usually means a flat ramp that allows the liner lock face to easily slide off under pressure or, worse yet, a big cutout on the obverse handle to make it easy to release the lock. Bad execution is simply a matter of poor attention to tolerances and materials. All of these potential shortcomings were purposely avoided in the engineering of this knife.

By the way, liner locks are not the only locks that can be poorly engineered or executed. If a company tried hard enough, they can dick up any lock design.

As for the name, it's my fault. After taking so much crap from couch commandos for promoting the wharncliffe as a tactical design, I chose the name with the primary meaning of "get a wharncliffe"--be WHARNED. Obviously, I was also cognizant of the other meaning inferred by the knife. Unfortunately, making a "successful" knife takes more than just making a high-quality, functional product. The Yojimbo and Ronin are perfect examples of that. When they were compared to all of Spyderco's other products in ballistic meat-cutting tests, they outperformed everything. Despite this empirical testing, people refused to embrace the designs and sales sucked. The current popularity of and demand for the Yojimbo only came after the knife was discontinued--and after enough people saw me use it in cutting demonstrations. I'm hoping that the name walks the fine line of being controversial without being irresponsible--kind of like "Instigator."

For the record, removing the marking on the blade won't be that difficult. The best method would be a buffer or Dremel tool and a Scotchbrite wheel.

Also for the record, the Benchmade wharncliffes that Mike Snody designed were directly inspired by the Ronin and Yojimbo. After Mike and I collaborated on the custom versions of those knives and he did some cutting with them, he was "converted." Spyderco dragged its feet on the release of the Yojimbo (over three years), so Mike showed me a prototype of the Gravitator at the Blade Show and asked my permission to pursue it with Benchmade. Out of respect for him, his professional courtesy, and our friendship, I told him to go for it.

I hope this helps clear up your questions. Thanks again for your interest.

Stay safe,

Mike

[jujigatame]

I like the looks from that picture. Always wanted to try one of Janich's MOD/Blackhawk models but never got around to it. This may be a good place to start.

[PSU]

It looks interesting however the specs don't show up for me on the website.

Any idea the blade length, overall length, and blade thickness? One of the greatest aspects of the Yojimbo is its 3" blade. I hope this one is 3" or less too.

[Fred Sanford]

Dr. S,

Thanks for posting MJ's reply into here. That clears a lot up. I still like the knife very much. I want one. Hopefully it's not like $250. :eek:

[raven]

Hey All, According to the Blackhawk website ... this design is going for roughly $99.99. The specs aren't up just yet, because it's a new 2009 model/design. I can guess that the blade steel is most likely AUS-8A. Almost all of their newer models are using the AUS-8A blade steel to keep the cost lower. They also redesigned the CQD Mark I Model (also $99.99). Hope this helps a bit :o . Take Good Care All and Be Safe Always.

God Bless :)


-raven-

[Fred Sanford]

raven,

Thanks for the info. That knife you have pictured looks very much like MOD. Did Blackhawk buy MOD?

Thanks.

[raven]

raven,

Thanks for the info. That knife you have pictured looks very much like MOD. Did Blackhawk buy MOD?

Thanks.

Hey David, Blackhawk did buy Masters Of Defense (MOD). I believe Mr. Janich is the Vice President of the company... I may be wrong :rolleyes: . I know he's heavily involved in all the redesigns that are coming out. Take Good Care and Be Safe Always.

God Bless :)


-raven-