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spyderco with a corkscrew
Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 3:30 pm
by luigisdad
Wouldn't it be great to have a Delica ZDP-189 or even VG-10 with a corkscrew and a lever assist? For me, this would be the ultimate EDC. Any thing like this in the works? The first picture shows what the corkscrew and double lever assist would look like. The second picture shows the lever assist on the Leatherman Flair. There are Laguiole knives with lousy corkscrews or there are decent corkscrews with itsy bitsy foil cutter knives. Nothing that you can use as an EDC or even as a letter opener.
Thanks
Roy
Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 3:46 pm
by The Deacon
Spyderco did a prototype of one a long time back. It never materialized, but think there was some talk a year or so back that they might be reconsidering the idea. Have no use for one myself, can't honestly remember the last time I used a corkscrew, but good luck.
Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 5:09 pm
by PSU
Would
this design fit the bill? :D
needs a lever -- otherwise you need to put the bottle down
Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 5:23 pm
by luigisdad
It needs a lever like the one here. Otherwise, you still have to put the bottle down by your feet and pull. It's just a simple metal flap that covers the corkscrew. I know that will make the case wider to accomodate the blade, but that is all. To be a nitpick, it would be great if the corkscrew were teflon coated. I hate teflon coated knives because the first time you sharpen them, you take off the coating. But, here, you wouldn't need to sharpen the corkscrew.
Roy
Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 6:31 pm
by McBain
This would be a great chance to have a sprint run of the Laguiole, I have seen a bunch of those with corckscrews, and I think an awesome design (and I want one of the old Spyderco versions...) :D :D
Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 11:46 pm
by anson argyris
The Deacon wrote:Spyderco did a prototype of one a long time back.
According to Mr. Delavigne's Book 'The Spyderco Story', it was the C 31 Europa.
Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 12:01 am
by dialex
Hey, I've seen this knife before!

Thanks PSU :)
As you can see, the knife has the Laguiole lines, but it's heavily Spyderized (broader blade, in order to fit the hole, finger choil, aso.).
OTOH, they already made the Endura with the Glock tool. I think it would be possible to put a corkscrew instead of that rod, but still no lever, sorry Roy.
Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 2:08 am
by The Deacon
dialex wrote:Hey, I've seen this knife before!

Thanks PSU :)
As you can see, the knife has the Laguiole lines, but it's heavily Spyderized (broader blade, in order to fit the hole, finger choil, aso.).
OTOH, they already made the Endura with the Glock tool. I think it would be possible to put a corkscrew instead of that rod, but still no lever, sorry Roy.
Good to know your memory isn't getting as bad as mine Alex. :D As little use as I have for a corkscrew, your Sommelier is one :spyder: I'd have to buy.

:D
As for the Glock tool Endura, the other problem there is torque. The Glock tool is not subjected to any, a corkscrew would be. Not sure the mounting arrangement would be up to that.
corkscrew
Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 9:24 am
by frogmorton11
Just thinking outloud here.
How about a linerlock wave, so you could over-rotate the blade and use it to hold the top of the bottle when using the corkscrew?
Forgive my rough drawing. I'm in a hurry and things were a little out of scale.
Thanks
Jamie
Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 9:40 am
by MAT888
Good corkscrews need wider patterns as your one frogmorton11. I would get a nice sommelier laguiole imho.....

wouldn't that be dangerous
Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 9:41 am
by luigisdad
Wouldn't levering off that notch be a little dangerous? I see the lever covering the corkscrew just like in this picture. All the maker would need to do is extend the length of that hook blade and get rid of the blade on the left side. If you fatten the handle, then the blade can obviously get fatter as well.
dangerous?
Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 9:47 am
by frogmorton11
Of course it woud be dangerous. It's a knife. :D
My suggestion to make a corkscrew from a wave delica was intended to be a joke.
Laguiole Sommelier and why it doesn't work
Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 9:51 am
by luigisdad
MAT888:
You are right, the Laguiole Sommelier does a great job of opening wine. But, it does not work for me as an EDC.
The whole purpose of my search is to not have to carry 2 separate items-- a wine opener and an EDC. I like to use my EDC as a letter opener, box opener when I go into the warehouse, cut zip ties, etc. In a pinch, cut some cheese or fruit or even food. I cannot do this with the Laguiole Sommelier. Hence, looking for something with a Delica shaped blade in ZDP-189 or VG-10 and the corkscrew with the lever assist.
Here is a picture of something that is close but the steel is not very good and the lever is not really a lever -- it is a cover for the corkscrew.
Imagine, better steel with better blade geometry and convert that cover into a lever that also acts as a bottle opener.
Voila -- the knife I'm searching for.
Thanks
Roy
Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 11:58 am
by jeff189
I am not a big fan of wine, but I carry a SAK with a corkscrew most days. It comes in handy to untie knots. I would probably purchase a Spyderco with a corkscrew just for that added use.
Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 5:51 pm
by flipe8
While I wouldn't have a real use for a corkscrew, I'd love to see a Spydie with a combination screwdriver/can opener like those found on a SAK. It would bring the Spyderco into another world of usefullness.
Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 8:09 am
by sal
Hi Luigisdad,
Where do you live?
In our studies, the "knuckle" in the lever was preferred by most professionals. It would certainly be somthing we'd want to add. I prefer the knuckle myhself when I open wine for Gail. (I'm a rice wine drinker myself [sake]).
We've seen a few designs by outside designers, but to date we've not been satisfied that the deign would be highly functional, which we would require.
I don't have the design time, at this time, to design a knife with those features. Maybe Dialex?
We're planning some "slipits" in the future with multiple blades, this might be an interesting project to add.
sal
Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 8:29 am
by Th232
I think it'd be great to see Alex's design made real! If I could make a recommendation though, I think this one should be a really classy one in materials as well as design.
sal wrote:I'm a rice wine drinker myself [sake]).
*Files this bit away so we know what to bribe Sal with* :D
Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 10:15 am
by Caly E
Nice thoughts everyone. Now lets add a model similar to the Glock E4 with a flint. Fire's cool, huh huh huh.
Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 2:33 pm
by luigisdad
Sal:
Thank you very much for taking the time to reply and participate.
I live in Los Angeles, CA and that knuckle is indeed, important. I work with many restaurants and wineries and so opening wine is kind of a benefit/hazard of my job.
I think the concept based on the picture of the silver knife above, the one with the longer and slimmer blade, and the corkscrew cover, could be implemented with a better corkscrew and a double jointed lever instead of a corkscrew cover. Maybe a little wider case to accomodate an Endura or Delica blade.
I will search on the Internet for Dialex.
Thanks again.
Cheers,
Roy
sal wrote:Hi Luigisdad,
Where do you live?
In our studies, the "knuckle" in the lever was preferred by most professionals. It would certainly be somthing we'd want to add. I prefer the knuckle myhself when I open wine for Gail. (I'm a rice wine drinker myself [sake]).
We've seen a few designs by outside designers, but to date we've not been satisfied that the deign would be highly functional, which we would require.
I don't have the design time, at this time, to design a knife with those features. Maybe Dialex?
We're planning some "slipits" in the future with multiple blades, this might be an interesting project to add.
sal
Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 11:23 pm
by SpyderNoir_JHA
Wow, I've been kind of daydreaming about a Spyderco with a corkscrew for several years now (since I studied in Paris, anyway). I always figured it was a long shot, though. I really like the idea of a slipit with a corkscrew.
For me, a relatively small blade would be ideal for such a knife, since I would want to carry it while traveling and would be especially concerned about broad legality.