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The brown truck brought me a new Tenacious on friday. So in two days playing around I have to tell you that I am really impressed. I really really like this knife! No need to elaborate, for the money, its a great value.

I agree. I like the Tenacious.

-Jay

:spyder: Huge value for under 40 bucks! :spyder:

*strokes 1mm beard (just shaved)* :cool: Maybe i should get one after all...

It should be a Byrd.

Bolstermanic wrote:It should be a Byrd.

It is a Byrd.

congrats on your Tenacious Huck.....great knife.....worthy of the Spyderhole :cool:

I have 5 Byrds coming---I have to get back to work soon---I was near retirement until I developed this addiction---I am going to have to find a bricks & mortar store so I can get a Spyderco dealership to go with my hunting & fishing collectibles business.

Agent Starling wrote:It is a Byrd.

Huh? :confused:

Did I miss something?

Agent Starling wrote:It is a Byrd.

In a break with tradition, this China-made knife is a full-fledged Spyderco, round-hole and all--not a Byrd.

I worry it is a harbinger of things to come. I wonder, in moments of doubt, how long before more...or most...Spydercos will be created with the express intention of being competitively inexpensive? I thought that's what the Byrd line was for.

Congratulations and enjoy your new fine knife. I always said some of the Byrds are so well thought and manufactured they deserve a round hole. And then Spyderco came with this one... :)

Might have to break down and buy an un-numbered one just to see what they're like for myself.

Bolstermanic wrote:In a break with tradition, this China-made knife is a full-fledged Spyderco, round-hole and all--not a Byrd.

I worry it is a harbinger of things to come. I wonder, in moments of doubt, how long before more...or most...Spydercos will be created with the express intention of being competitively inexpensive? I thought that's what the Byrd line was for.

To me, being "competitively inexpensive" would mean offering equal quality at a lower price. If a maker in China, or anywhere else can match Japanese build quality, fit, and finish at a lower price, I'd consider that a good thing. If the quality never quite reaches that point, but building one or a dozen high volume, low cost, models in China provides an income stream which allows Spyderco to continue to build the low volume - high risk "affi" models here and in Japan, then to my way of thinking that too would be a good thing.

Just got a suggestion - is anyone able and willing to make a comparison review of Tenacious and lets say a byrd raven/crow /as both are linerlocks models/ and eventually with a G10 mid-locked byrd /Flight g10/ so we get maybe a better idea?

As for now, after all "T" involved posts, and if I recall correctly the comments on Raven/Crow models - I would say there is a huge difference there. Fit, finish, lock up, everything - but I guess some one who actually owns one of both worlds can tell it better. :)

JBE wrote:Huh? :confused:

Did I miss something?

yeah...my sardonic wit ...or is it ironic? :D

Agent Starling

Bolstermanic wrote:In a break with tradition, this China-made knife is a full-fledged Spyderco, round-hole and all--not a Byrd.

I know it's classified, marketed as the revered Spyderco...but to my mind,

8Cr13MoV = BYRD

...but don't take my word for it...who knows, I might just have to get me one and see if it's the real deal...besides, with a great name like Tenacious, how can you ignore a knife like that?

Bolstermanic wrote:I worry it is a harbinger of things to come. I wonder, in moments of doubt, how long before more...or most...Spydercos will be created with the express intention of being competitively inexpensive? I thought that's what the Byrd line was for.

That is my worst nightmare and my gut feeling...I dearly hope I am so dead wrong on this...ah, well, at least there will still be plenty of Golden Oldie Spyders to collect...I can stay satisfied with hoarding G10 Harpies for the rest of my days, if I really have to... :o :D

The Spyderco brand has branded itself right into my heart and holds a special place therein...and so it shall always be... :D

Agent Starling

I know people might not like specific models, because of ergos, materials and so on. But I'm surprised some people here are not happy with the tenacious.

What more do you want for $30 bucks :rolleyes:
It doesn't matter where something is built imo. I trust Sal and If Sal makes it it's good enough for me.


aj

P.S Knives aren't really built for just you and me. Knives are built for the masses. The masses want a good folder that they can trust for a very good price that they can afford.

224477 wrote:Just got a suggestion - is anyone able and willing to make a comparison review of Tenacious and lets say a byrd raven/crow /as both are linerlocks models/ and eventually with a G10 mid-locked byrd /Flight g10/ so we get maybe a better idea?

As for now, after all "T" involved posts, and if I recall correctly the comments on Raven/Crow models - I would say there is a huge difference there. Fit, finish, lock up, everything - but I guess some one who actually owns one of both worlds can tell it better. :)

Hi Jano, I've got most of the Byrds like the Raven/Crow as well as most of the backlock Byrds from the Robin to the CaraCara, Flight, Crossbill...
I can honestly tell you the Raven/Crow is not in the same league as the Tenacious for the linerlock/build quality....not even close....the linerlock of the Tenacious impresses me very much, as much as that on my Captain or any of my Militarys....
In general , I would rate the "build quality" of the backlocked Byrds to be a "notch above" the linerlocked ones.... but not on par with the Delica4's build quality...
Now I haven't tried out a Catbyrd yet with its framelock....
My 2cents

aj1985 wrote:I know people might not like specific models, because of ergos, materials and so on. But I'm surprised some people here are not happy with the tenacious.

What more do you want for $30 bucks :rolleyes:
It doesn't matter where something is built imo. I trust Sal and If Sal makes it it's good enough for me.


aj

P.S Knives aren't really built for just you and me. Knives are built for the masses. The masses want a good folder that they can trust for a very good price that they can afford.

Hi aj,
it's very apparent w/ the discontent with the Tenacious has nothing to do with its build quality (which is excellent imho) but more to do with the origin of manufacture.....
I hate to break the news to some who purchased a Spyderpac....it's now made in China... :rolleyes:
In the part of the country I live in, the average household income is not very high....I'd venture to say that 95% of folks I see in clinic have to buy most their groceries/clothing/houselhold items at the various Walmart superstores around here .... not by choice but b/c of income and having to "make ends meet" ....
I'd also guess that those who choose to only have American manufactured goods and products in their homes have to have a considerable amount of $$$ to do this......this "luxury" is not a reality for most living in my region of the USA...

Is it a byrd? is it a Spyder? IS TENACIOUS! a super knife for the price :D

aj1985 wrote:What more do you want for $30 bucks :rolleyes:

In short: I don't want a $30 Spyderco.

While many of you are cheering such an inexpensive Spyderco, it saddens me, because it's not taking Spyderco in the direction of premium...it's taking Spyderco in the direction of inexpensive. My only hope is that Deacon's argument about the Tenacious supporting the rest of the line, proves to be correct.

jaislandboy wrote: it's very apparent w/ the discontent with the Tenacious has nothing to do with its build quality (which is excellent imho) but more to do with the origin of manufacture......

With all due respect, Ja, that's a false dichotomy. The Tenacious uses a linerlock (the least expensive type of lock, with an inconsistent reputation overall) and 8Cr13MoV steel (a lower graded steel in Spyderco's current lineup). The Tenacious was designed to be inexpensive, and competitive with other inexpensive knives; Sal himself says as much. When you design for low cost, more compromises are inevitable. So I disagree that the argument against the Tenacious can be reduced to mere prejudice and xenophobia.