TI ATR Variation - is this common knowledge?

[swingshot]

Warning: *knife nerd post follows.*


I was having a look at Wouter's site this morning, in particular his ATR review and i noticed a difference between his and mine..





A quick disassembly of mine shows that inspite of the lack of a matching hole on either of the handle halves, the stop pin is threaded for a T7 screw on the right-hand side.

The stop pin is firmly attached to the left half of the handle.
In fact i'm wondering if it's actually milled from the left handle - if it isn't it's a very tight/firm fit.


This leads me on to some questions:

Is this a commonly known variation?
Which is more common?
Which came first?
Were there any other tooling changes over the course of the Ti ATR's lifespan?

If it adds any clarification: Mine came in a box marked AE. I'm inclined to believe it was the correct box.

Thanks in advance for any help.

[The Deacon]

This leads me on to some questions:

Is this a commonly known variation?
Which is more common?
Which came first?
Were there any other tooling changes over the course of the Ti ATR's lifespan?

If it adds any clarification: Mine came in a box marked AE. I'm inclined to believe it was the correct box.

Thanks in advance for any help.

My box says ID and, like yours, mine lacks the external screw. My guess would be that the version Wouter has is the earlier of the two. But unless and until he, or someone else with one like that chimes in with a "birth date", that's just speculation. Can't help beyond that, still trying to figure out what that odd looking jog in the top of that same side of the frame, a bit over an inch behind the lock access cutout is for.

[florijn]

My box says ID and, like yours, mine lacks the external screw. My guess would be that the version Wouter has is the earlier of the two. But unless and until he, or someone else with one like that chimes in with a "birth date", that's just speculation. Can't help beyond that, still trying to figure out what that odd looking jog in the top of that same side of the frame, a bit over an inch behind the lock access cutout is for.

Have a plain one that has the same screw and box reads 11/26/03,
I'm sure that this box belongs to the knife!

[florijn]

By the way,
This isn't a knife nerd post.
You are someone with an eye for detail.
Or at least I'm not a nerd alone :D

[The Deacon]

Have a plain one that has the same screw and box reads 11/26/03,
I'm sure that this box belongs to the knife!

That settles the "which came first" issue and narrows down the changeover point to somewhere between 12/03 and 9/04.

As can be seen in this thread, the prototype did have the screw.

http://spyderco.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3976

Initial release appears to have been in July '03 per this thread.

http://spyderco.com/forums/archive/inde ... -8812.html

[Mr Blonde]

To add more confusion, the box from my Ti SE ATR reads ID for the birthdate. And I'm very certain I have the original box to go with my ATR.

I've noticed some Ti ATRs with Hex screws for the pivot instead of the torx screw. As far as the missing stop pin is concerned, something similar happened with the Li'l Temp. The last run of Li'l Temps had a 'blind stop pin', no screws to hold it in place, just the friction/tenstion of the other parts.

Wouter

[Peter1960]

My box says ID ...

As luck would have it, your and mine A.T.R.'s are brothers or sisters - production ID for my plain model here; no external screw as well :)

[The Deacon]

To add more confusion, the box from my Ti SE ATR reads ID for the birthdate. And I'm very certain I have the original box to go with my ATR.

I've noticed some Ti ATRs with Hex screws for the pivot instead of the torx screw. As far as the missing stop pin is concerned, something similar happened with the Li'l Temp. The last run of Li'l Temps had a 'blind stop pin', no screws to hold it in place, just the friction/tenstion of the other parts.

Wouter

Mine has a T-10 Torx pivot, T-6 Torx for the frame and cobra hood screws, and phillips for the clip.

Note the jog in the frame directly down from the left edge of the center hole in the clip in the photo below. Do they all have that?

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[swingshot]

Note the jog in the frame directly down from the left edge of the center hole in the clip in the photo below. Do they all have that?

Mine has the Jog too. A quick glance at Wouter's suggests his does not.

This would suggest the Jog and lack of stop pin screw go together... unless somebody out there has one with the Jog *and* the stop pin screw?

I think mine has a different pivot screw from yours Paul, - it will happily accept a T15 driver.

[bluemist]

I have wouter's version, torx screw for stop pin, no jog, my blade sits deeper in the handle and the cylinder where the handle is attached is dented in so the blade won't touch it, been trying to figure out why they had to do that., Maybe the blade isn't set deeper but the hole was misaligned. Anyway it gives it character, no two are exactly alike I guess.

[Mr Blonde]

Mine has the Jog too. A quick glance at Wouter's suggests his does not.

This would suggest the Jog and lack of stop pin screw go together... unless somebody out there has one with the Jog *and* the stop pin screw?

I think mine has a different pivot screw from yours Paul, - it will happily accept a T15 driver.

Correct, my ATR has no 'jog' in the frame. The pivot takes a T10 driver, but there's a little room left, so a bigger one might fit too. All other screws are T6.

wouter

[Will V.]

This would suggest the Jog and lack of stop pin screw go together... unless somebody out there has one with the Jog *and* the stop pin screw?

Mine is the opposite, no stop pin screw, and no jog in the frame. Box is marked DD.

[bladese97]

:spyder: :spyder: :cool: :spyder: :spyder: I have 2 Ti-Atr's...1/pe, and 1/se. Both stop pins screws are on the right handle slab. Also, all 4 hole on both of mine match up :D The only difference between my 2 is with my Spyderedged one; They are both equipt with stop pins, and the blade is marked with the #172 on the left side, and is a bit more stiff when opening, and closing. As for the screws, both handles(including stop pin) are constructed with T-6 screws, and the pivots take a T-10, but leave alot of room. One thing more that I noticed on mine that I mentioned in a previous thread/post is that both clips were fastened to the right side, using lock tight :confused: Does anyone else have this on theirs?

[swingshot]

and the pivots take a T-10, but leave alot of room. One thing more that I noticed on mine that I mentioned in a previous thread/post is that both clips were fastened to the right side, using lock tight :confused: Does anyone else have this on theirs?

I should clarify: Mine takes a T-10.... but T-15 is a much better fit. The clip screws on mine appear to be secured with lock-tite also.