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Well I guess my title does leave one a little short on clues as to what this thread is about but I truly am very worried about what implications that the senseless, apparently baseless murder of Derrant Williams of the Denver Broncos yesterday

If you all haven't heard the news one of Denver's star football players, Derrant Williams was murdered very early in the morning on New Year's Day. The headlines seem to indicate that it was a driveby, random shooting. I personally think there is a lot more to this than the headlines would lead you to believe.

With the gap between the "HAVES" and the "HAVE NOTS" getting bigger by the day I think we may be seeing the first signs of a literal "Class Warfare". After reading at least 6 news releases from 6 different sources I can only summize that the Denver football player was shot simply because he came from a prestigious private party and was leaving in a HumVee limosine. It sure looks to me as if the perpetrator was just doing a randem slaying out of pure envy of people of the upper financial class.

I would be willing to bet that the perpetrator probably had no idea of who they actually shot. They just wanted to make a statement. And boy did they . The really sad irony to all of this is that from what I've heard the victim Mr. Derrant Williams was honestly a very good guy by all accounts I've read.

I hope to Almighty GOD that I am wrong but I do think we are witnessing the beginning of a brutal "Class Warfare". The gap is getting bigger between those who have mega-millions between those who have nothing is it truly widening each passing day. And there is a growing underclass in this country who have very little hope of having a piece of the American dream. It looks to me like the kettle may be starting to boil. And I feel it will be in a rolling boil before we know it unless something changes in a positive way in this country. It's getting really treacherous out there folks. By all indications this truly was a senseless abomination and a crime of pure hatred

I read that he had exchanged words with someone, but I could be wrong. It does seem seneless, but there are people out there who really don't give a F#@& and have nothing to lose.

Hey All, Another theory a partner and I were discussing..........This Brutal Slaying may have also been committed by a "Crazed Fan" :eek: due to a loss. Folks here in Colorado Take Their Bronco's Football really serious, to the point of taking a Loss Personal. This Is Truely Sad . Prayers Sent To His Family and Fellow Team Mates.

God Bless :)


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That's a crying shame... no matter the motivation. If he exchanged words, I doubt they were justification enough for his death. I don't know if there is a class war festering below the surface in our society... for some reason it seems like the poor in this country are more interested in killing or stealing from each other than the wealthy... of course, I suppose that behavior can lead to revolution too.

I will say this though... I can understand certain motivations for murder. If someone killed or harmed me or one of mine, I would want to return that treatment. I have never been one to deny that base instinctive desire for revenge so long as it is tempered by perspective and logic. But killing someone because they are more wealthy than yourself... especially in the case of a professional athlete in which their wealthy status is more lucky (both genetic and otherwise) than purposeful... that is stupid, puerile behavior. The three possible motivations thus far discussed for this crime are motivations of a child. Only a petulant youth would want someone to die based on their jealousy, frustration, or infatuation. If this immature attitude towards life and death is indicative of the "soldiers" on the side of the have-nots in a theoretical class war... that side has already failed by becoming fools.

I, for one, will be heading out to some nice secluded spot in the Gila to build a cabin and await the end of hostilities should such a conflict pop up... money is not one of the reasons I would ever kill a man, no matter what revolutionary cloth the murder was shrouded in. Feel free to stop by! :p :p

I used to l live in Southern Kalifornia. Shootings like this would happen 8-12 times a year just in Ventura County... never mind L.A.
Usually it was gang on gang, but every once in awhile an innocent would get caught in the middle, or just be an easy target, & get shot & killed for no reason.

I guess after living there 12+ years, hearing about a shooting.... just doesn't surprise me.


Pretty **** sad state of affairs in this country

JD, there's a saying in the medical profession - "when you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras." It's just another way of saying that the simplest, most common explainations for events are usually correct. I think you have so firmly convinced yourself that American stands on the brink of social collapse that you see signs of this in events for which there are much simpler, and far less dire explainations. To me, the most obvious in this case would be:

• a stalker - someone who felt spurned or ignored by their sports idol or lover
• a message - he was speaking out against gangs and gang violence
• a debt - either gambling or drug related
• a personal grudge of some other kind
• a random act of violence - probably the least likely in this case

I do think the combination of today's music, movies, and video games, coupled with a lack of discipline both in the schools and in the home, has created a generation that is more prone to violent antisocial behavior.

As for "class warfare", I guess you could put that label on a number of events that have occured over the past hundred years. The labor clashes of the early 20th century, the race riots of the sixties, the looting that occurs after almost every disaster, natural or man-made, could all be labeled as that. I just don't think we're on the brink of a major "battle", or that this particular event has anything to do with that, unless you want to pin that label on every act of jealousy.

All good points Deacon... although I do contend with one conclusion. The media and lack of discipline in the home today, I believe anyway, are symptomatic of a condition that has always existed. That is to say, rather than a factor further aggravating said condition. My generation is no more antisocial or violent than any other insofar as I can detect. When compared to, say, the generation that spawned the French Revolution we are docile to the point of being comatose. And, they didn't have Marilyn Manson or Doom to point fingers at.

I just wish I could try to argue that we were actually improving with time, rather than maintaining the level of antisocial and violent behavior past generations have set... one of these days I guess.

Step out of the "off the grid" generated flourescent bulbs of the bunker into the sunlight of day.

The Deacon wrote:JD, there's a saying in the medical profession - "when you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras." It's just another way of saying that the simplest, most common explainations for events are usually correct. I think you have so firmly convinced yourself that American stands on the brink of social collapse that you see signs of this in events for which there are much simpler, and far less dire explainations.

Well Deacon you have your take on the situation at hand, and that is good to have a difference of opinions. But I don't just base this one isolated incident in basing my opinion that there is something terribly around the corner concerning a potential social/economic crash here in the USA. There are just too many factors contributing to this social breakdown that can't be ignored. With pension funds going broke left and right, with the dollar trading at all time lows, with stalwarts like General Motors, Ford, Delphi and almost too many other companies to list that on the brink of financial ruin I hardly think my observation is BASELESS . With the average credit card holder being $9200** in debt and with a wave of mortages on the brink of foreclosure I have many other rock solid factors to weigh on besides a football player being needlessly murdered.

I have an old friend who has sold real estate for over 22 years. She has made a pile of money over the years and she is now about ready to call it quits. She hasn't even shown a house in over 6 months. Blue Springs, Missouri which is a town close to me that as recently as 2004 was one of the biggest real estate hot spots in the entire nation. They now have so many listings ( 461 in a town of 50,000) that most of the home owners have changed their FOR Sale signs into FOR RENT signs because there is just nothing at all selling. She told me that didn't even happen in Blue Springs even in the recession of the early 80s. She also told me that half of the agents in her office have already quit and gone on to other jobs. She also told me that the only money she has made since MAY of 2006 is that she has been making her living doing paperwork on foreclosures. My boss is a retired Medical Doctor whose daughter is also a Doctor and she is now looking for another career to get into because they see the handwriting on the wall as far as a potential medical system crash. And Deacon I double dare you to refer to him as being a paronoid idiot because he is a multi-millionaire several times over and he has an incredible track record of being right with his predictions. And he heartily agrees with me that there is something terribly wrong with the entire nation at this point. He has a ranch in North Missouri for the sole reason of leaving the city when all goes awry.

There's been a saying on Wall STreet for decades that goes like this: "AS goes General Motors so goes the USA" Which is a short way of saying that most Wall STreet analysts have always used General Motors as a barometer as to how the rest of the country will go. Truly I Hope I am WRONG. But there is something very terrible going on in this country. We are faced with a multi-faceted onslaught that is disentegrating our way of life here in the USA. With our manufacturing base being deliberately destroyed and the corrupt politicians even giving tax breaks for those who take factories and jobs overseas you just can't help but think that there is something not right with the big picture. There are so many extreme problems going on in the country at this time that it would take me about 6 pages to list even half of them. But my boss said the other day that it's not a matter of IF the health care system is going to crash, it's a matter of WHEN it's going to happen. With phamaceutical drugs going up exponentially and more and more people losing their health insurance ( me included ) just that sector alone is a potent ingredient for mayhem. That's enough for now. But do prepare people because there are dark days ahead.
I don't mean any of this in a spirit of bitterness or contention but I respectfully think that you all need to take a closer look at the big picture. Because there are a lot more negative factors converging on us than most people realize. GOD help us all

"Denver Cornerback murdered"> I don't give a sh*t

hail to the HAVE-NOTS!!! :mad:

Let's refrain from Political discussions, where this thread is headed. Please respect our earlier request.

In respect to Darrent Williams, obviously our thoughts go out to his family and his children. Regardless of anyone's personal views of our society, a man died, a family lost a son and two children lost their father.

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