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Why are some :spyder: models made riveted where the blade pivots in the handle where some are screwed?

I'd rather have em screwed so I can adjust the tension or take the knife apart.

Vu

I would imagine its a cost issue. rivets are much cheaper than screws. I also prefer the screws though.

My Dear Friend,

mr.vu wrote:I'd rather have em screwed so I can adjust the tension or take the knife apart.

I agree completely, and would likewise prefer all of my knives to have screw assembly for the reasons you detailed. It should however be pointed out that disassembly of your Spyderco knife instantly voids your warranty...

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Hannibal

i think it's also a matter of looks. rivits imo look "classier" while screws look more "technical". a fair number of spydies (like the Kiwi for example) seem to have no visable means of disassembly or even assembly for that matter.

The only thing I dislike about my Ocelot is that it is constructed with rivets. Means I can't take it apart and clean it if I had to.

mr.vu wrote:Why are some :spyder: models made riveted where the blade pivots in the handle where some are screwed?

I'd rather have em screwed so I can adjust the tension or take the knife apart.

Vu

And I prefer riveted, so I don't have to worry about a screw falling out at an inopportune moment. Nothing appeals to everyone, and there are plenty of models made each way, so there are still a lot to choose from. Trend now seems to be to screw construction, so unless that tide reverses, expect even more choices in your preferred style over the next couple years.

Screw construction is a trend the consumer wants more and more today in a knife. Witness the upgrade to screws in the Delica/Endura.

Most early FRN handled knives were just made with rivets, and am no sure why...

Rivets cost less and are more reliable. Market demand for screws has grown however.

Screws have some advantages in replacing parts, modifications, and repairs. When making a custom liner lock screwed together; if I make an error or damage a piece I can rebuild or replace the part. Screw together knives are engineered. The pieces knife to knife are interchangable. Pinned together knives leave success in the hands of a craftsman rather than the engineer. A pinned knife is a one shot assembly process. It is either success or failure. A good craftsman with good parts is allowed very small repairable errors in the process. Pinning is an art. The size of the hammer and the force of impact have everything to do with how and where the pin swells. Pinning and peening are two different processes. Almost any one can take apart and put back together a screwwed together knife. Only a few can pin together a working machine properly.

Riveting and pinning are different processes. Rivits are generally machine set. Pins can be machine set, but not as accurately as the feel a craftsman provides. A rivet can be replaced by the right bolt; a flush ground pin can not and still look good.

The people with the skill set that make Moki pinned together knives is a very small group. These specialists have extremely fine tuned skills. I would venture to say that there are only a few in the custom industry that have developed these specific skills to the level of some of the Japanese craftsmen...Take Care...Ed

I prefer a screw for the pivot, other than that I don't care. I've had a pivot rivet come loose and that's a pain in the *** to fix as it never is really fixed and it becomes a recurring nightmare of constant repairing/loosening.

Cheers,
Rob

WOTANSON1 wrote:I prefer a screw for the pivot, other than that I don't care. I've had a pivot rivet come loose and that's a pain in the *** to fix as it never is really fixed and it becomes a recurring nightmare of constant repairing/loosening.

Cheers,
Rob

DITTO

I screwed up at least 3 FRN models with a pinned pivot in an attempt to repair the side to side play.

Last week I received my G10 Standard with about 2 mm side to side play. Luckily it has a screw as pivot, so I could correct it rather easily

I don't have the patience or the skill to take apart and put back together a knive, so if at least the pivot is adjustable, I'm a happy man :D

I'm for screw construction, especially on the pivot. I like to be able to adjust action and blade play, makes me feel more comfortable with my EDC :)

EDITTED- I had to add that I haven't had any problems out my riveted knives, except for some slight side to side blade play on my Native. Thats one out of 10 or so riveted, so consistent quality is there :)

The way you put it Ed, I guess it makes my Ocelot more special and a little more handmade.

Are the rivets on the Ocelot pinned or riveted?

say what you want, but I will take screws over pins or rivets any day of the week. I can't see any downside to using screws, but pins and rivets seem to have major downsides to me. In fact I havent bought any of the Persians or the Ocelot because of the pinned construction used on those knives.

:spyder: I like the screws but on the other hand, I just put blue locktite on the pivot screws of about half of my spydies as they were constantly self-loosening. Hope I haven't voided my warantee in the process! :o :spyder:

That's a good point Michael. Sure, the screw construction is nice for us knuts, but I do appreciate a properly pinned/riveted knife. With the latter you don't have to worry about anything coming loose. Whereas some screw models, have pivots that either need constant attention or glue. I like both just as well.

Wouter

I have to say I like screws.

Screws = MAJOR plus when it comes to maintaining knives by facilitating diasssembly. That makes it worlds easier [at least for me] to clean and/or lubricate parts.

For example, today some moron who I made the grievous mistake of loaning a knife to got potting mix in the action. That is going to be a lot harder to clean out of a pivoted assembly than it would be out of a screw-based one.

Adjustibility is always nice. If it doesn't appeal to you, I've heard a little Loctite works wonders....

Pivots are ok, simply not my preference.

-Patriot

I'm also one that prefers screws. I do have couple of rivet pivoted folders that have come loose, but my Spydies have stayed nice and tight :D I also Loc-Tite them for the most part. I didn't do that with my Delica 4, though, and it's been fine since I got it a few weeks ago - it gets used several times a day.

- gord

Face it were all screwed. :D

Screws are an interesting trend. For an average pocket knife for the average knife user pins/rivets work great. Fourteen years of flawless Police model use tell me this is true. Couple that with Spydercos excellent spyder spa and warranty department and most folks have nothing to worry about. On the other hand, is nice to be able to "fix" a knife by tightening a pivot, for example. I like both options and am glad we have them both.

No matter what anyone says looks count for something...if they didn't we could all just buy one endura/delica and one backup and call it a day...no forums, no constant watching to see when model "x" will be released, no worry about a sprint run of model "y" and if you will score one because purple G-10 would look great on a Tasman... Although a "screwed" Persian would still work great, it sure would change the appeal. :eek: