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It's been bugging me for a while...why are they adding liners to the endura and delica for the next generation? It makes the knives heavier, which is bad for most people who buy these models. Sure it might make them a bit stronger, and a bit smoother and more solid feeling. But for people who want a more solid, heavier knife, it's not as if Spyderco doesn't offer a score or two of options.

So, what's the most logical reason? Product differentiation. They can't very well offer almost identical Byrd models to the Endura and Delica, can they? So instead beloved Spyderco takes the Endura and Delica upmarket....and gives up comparable Byrds to the previous model.

At least this is my guess, and I can't wait to see what Spyderco comes up with.

When you release these Byrds I'm forecasting....please don't forget everything that made the endura and delica great....including Boye dents and lanyard holes. And if they have a removable clip similar to the Calypso Jr. Well, wow! :)

I think the changes made to the Endura and Delica came from feedback from users. MSRP hardly went up so I don't think they went "upmarket". :rolleyes:

Nested, Skeletonized Steel Liners
Stronger, Thicker tip
Larger Thumbhole & Enhanced Ergonomics
Thumb Serrations on top of Blade and Handle
New 4-Way Clip (R/L Reversible & Tip-up/Tip-dow)

I doubt it will add that much weight.

I'll wait and reserve my judgement till I get a hands on trial.

I think G1ZMO is right on this one. There was a quite lengthy thread on BFC where Sal asked the forum for feedback on what they ( the ELU's) wanted in changes for the C10/C11 line.

G1ZM0 wrote: I doubt it will add that much weight.

Ahhh...but it did...25% if I reember correctly. And that's a lot percentage wise.

I'm not saying the changes are bad, especially if we get a nice byrd as well! If a byrd comes along that is very similar to the old knives, it's a total win for everyone.

And I'm not referring to price when I say upmarket, I'm talking about "quality."

My primary point is without these changes an frn lockback byrd would be just too similar to the endura and delica. With the changes, an frn byrd will be a nice adjunct, not a direct competitor.

Hi Magic,

In the world of knives, Spyderco is considered an expensive product. Most of our models are up there. The only exceptions are the FRN models, which in todays market is also considered expensive "for a plastic knife".

Most of our competitors are building in China and there is a large price advantage to the Chinese made product. We had no piece of that market and that market was cutting into our "mid priced" pieces.

We didn't want to affect the Spyderco name with a Chinese made line which we felt creates confusion in the marketplace so we created a new line. They are all made in China by craftsmen that I personally work with. They are the "creme de la creme" of the Chinese factories that we toured. They will all carry the "byrd" comet shaped hole for identification.

"The dinosaurs that survived are called birds" comes from the recent evidence that dinosaurs had feathers and evolved into birds. "byrd" seemed like a natural.

The American and Japanese exotic steels are still superior, but the quality of the manufacture and steel are the best available in China and the byrd brand is the most "bang for the buck" you can find anywhere, IMO.

We'll make the byrds as good as we can make them, Boye dents, lanyard holes, etc. same as Spyderco. Country of origin is the difference.

The new Endura is 17% heavier ( 85 gms V 103 gms) than the last model and a better knife, IMO, simply because of the evolved and refined features.

Hope that helps.

sal

Sal...Great...thanks for the wonderful explanation. I can't wait for these knives!

And I was thinking of the Delica on the 25%...but I checked my math and it's more like 22.5%.

Thanks again...

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sal wrote:...
In the world of knives, Spyderco is considered an expensive product....
sal

I am happy to hear that. I wanna buy extraordinary knives, not common ones. Spyderco is extraordinary in my eyes.
THanks for all Sal.
Jano