Terrorists in the United Kingdom

[FRIZ]

THE CHICAGO SUN-TIMES
July 31, 2005

Terrorists way too cozy in United Kingdom
BY MARK STEYN

http://www.suntimes.com/output/steyn/cs ... eyn31.html

On Tuesday, the Times of London contained this intriguing tidbit about one of the thwarted suicide bombers of the July 21 tube attacks -- Yasin Hassan Omar, a Somali ''asylum seeker'':

''Omar, who was last seen vaulting a barrier at Warren Street station, has been the registered occupant of the flat since 1999. Ibrahim, who was last seen in Hackney Road, East London, after his failed attempt to blow up a No. 26 bus, shared it with him for the past two years. Omar, received £88 a week in housing benefit to pay for the council property and also received income support, immigration officials say.''

''Council property'' is Britspeak for public housing. So here's how things stand four years after 9/11: United Kingdom taxpayers are subsidizing the jihad.

There's a cheery thought for any Englishman the next time he's on a bus when some Islamakazi self-detonates: It's on his tax bill; pay as you blow.

This isn't some stunning shocking development, either. In a column on December 29, 2001, I noted the likes of Zac Moussaoui, the French citizen who became an Islamist radical while living on welfare in London, and wrote: "If you're looking for 'root causes' for terrorism, European-sized welfare programs are a good place to start . . . Tony Blair pays Islamic fundamentalists in London to stay at home, fester and plot.''

I wasn't the first to notice the links between Euro-Canadian welfare and terrorism. Mickey Kaus, the iconoclastic California liberal, was way ahead. But, after 3-1/2 years, one would be entitled to assume that Tony Blair might have spotted it, too -- especially given the ever greater numbers of British jihadi uncovered from Pakistan and Afghanistan to Israel and America.

That's why a law-enforcement approach to the war on terror -- the John Kerry approach -- can't work, not just because it's mostly reactive -- blow somewhere up, we'll seal it off, and detectives will investigate it as a crime scene -- but also because it involves entrusting the whole business to the state bureaucracy, and trusting them to improve scrutiny of immigration, entitlement to welfare and other matters within the purview of government. That snippet from the Times makes clear the likelihood of that happening. A ''criminal'' approach gives terrorists all the rights of criminals, and between British and European -- and, indeed, American -- ''human rights,'' that's quite a bundle. If it's a war, you can take wartime measures. But, if you fight this thing as a law enforcement matter, Islamist welfare queens will use all the above to their full extent. So today imams living off welfare checks openly promote the murder of Tony Blair, British troops, etc., with impunity.

Madrid and London -- along with other events such as the murder of the Dutch filmmaker Theo van Gogh -- are, in essence, the opening shots of a European civil war. You can laugh at that if you wish, but the Islamists' most oft-stated goal is not infidel withdrawal from Iraq but the re-establishment of a Muslim caliphate living under sharia that extends to Europe, and there's a lot to be said for taking these chaps at their word and then seeing whether their behavior is consistent with that.

Furthermore, there's a lot more of the world that lives under sharia than there was, say, 30 years ago: Pakistan adopted it in 1977, Iran in 1979, Sudan in 1984. Fifty years ago, Nigeria lived under English common law; now, half of it's in the grip of Islamic law. So, as a political project, radical Islam has made some headway, and continues to do so almost every day of the week: Since the beginning of the year, for example, some 10 percent of southern Thailand's Buddhist population has abandoned their homes -- a far bigger disruption than the tsunami, yet all but unreported in the Western press. And whatever one's opinion of the various local conflicts around the world -- Muslims vs. Buddhists in Thailand, Muslims vs. Hindus in Kashmir, Muslims vs. Jews in the Holy Land, Muslims vs. Russians in Chechnya, Muslims vs. Christians in Africa -- the fact is the jihad has held out a long time against very tough enemies. If you're not shy about taking on the Israelis and Russians, why wouldn't you fancy your chances against the Belgians and Spaniards?

If the jihad has its war aims, maybe we should start thinking about ours. What would victory look like? As fascism and communism were in their day, Islamism is now the ideology of choice for the world's grievance-mongers. That means we have to destroy the ideology, or at least its potency -- not Islam per se, but at the very minimum the malign strain of Wahhabism, which thanks to Saudi oil money has been transformed from a fetish of isolated desert derelicts into the most influential radicalizing force in contemporary Islam, from Indonesia to Yorkshire to Virginia. Europeans who aren't prepared to roll back Wahhabism had better be prepared to live with it, or under it.

Mustering the popular will for that sort of struggle isn't easy. But the longer you leave it the harder it becomes. These days, if an American business traveler lands at Heathrow, the immigration officer plunks down in his passport a big stamp saying ''RECOURSE TO PUBLIC FUNDS PROHIBITED.'' What a pathetic example of pointless gesture politics: If you're a fancypants executive in town for 48 hours to splash a ton of hard currency around the West End, British immigration goes through a big hoop-de-do about saying you've no entitlement to welfare. But if you're a Somali and you want to live in public housing at public expense for six years while you fine-tune your plot to blow up Warren Street Tube station, pas de probleme!

That's a classic example of what you get when you opt for a narrowly drawn law enforcement approach entrusted to a complacent bureaucracy: Rather than do anything about immigrant welfare fraud, they'll simply order up a new rubber stamp that gives the vague air of doing something about it. And back in the real world, daily, weekly, remorselessly, the situation will deteriorate. The British have been heroic in Iraq. They need to show they can do it closer to home.

[saracen]

Sorry FRIZ, my reply to your post will be short and basic.. and anyway, last time I was going to respond to one of your thread's it got deleted before I could post it.

Back to my point's.. I'm a proud brit and I'm sick of the political correctness and how good British citizen's are made to feel because the authorities are frightened of offending certain group's within our communities, if I flew the Union Jack outside my house I'm sure the local council would make me take it down for fear of inciting race hatred..!!!

There are poeple who enter the UK legally and illegally, recieve more help than those who really need it, then they start undermining the system and causing trouble for want of better word's, this country has needed to get tough for year's, the problem's we face now are 'deep rooted'.

Unfortunately to air one's view's as this also get's you labelled as racist thug's, 'they' have right's you know, where are our right's?, we're damned if we do and damned if we dont.

[UK KEN]

saracen

I am with you all the way on this! :mad:

I couldn't believe it when one of the would be killers was instructed by arresting officers to leave his flat only wearing his shorts some human rights idiot jumped immediately to the bombers defence saying his human rights were being infringed! :eek:

As far as I am concerned he lost allrights when he took the decision to kill UK citizens.

Do unto others......

Ken

[The Deacon]

Paul, Ken, I agree wholehearted with both of you, but I'm not sure if this is the place for it. The original poster here has given me every indication that he is a troll. He lacks the courage to post his own views on any of the hot-button political topics he posts here, merely cutting and pasting newspaper articles that he fancies will generate some kind of response from others. The fact that he posts on BladeForums, yet never posts in Political there, electing instead to favor us with these stories, brings out the suspicious old sod in me.

[UK KEN]

Paul

As usual you are most likely absolutely right. :)

Ken

[FRIZ]

Hi The Deacon/Paul:
I am not a “troll”.
I have more than 25 Spydercos.
STR knows me as he has worked on my Spyderco and Benchmade.
Where on BladeForums can I find the Political section?
Thank you,
Regards,
FRIZ

[Yojimbo]

Maybe they should just dust off the old SAS tactics like they used in the Iranian embassy and Gibraltar.
I guess if i was ready to use myself as a human bomb and kill and main innocent men, women and children with nailbombs strapped to my body, a walk in my underwear to the police car would not be considered "unhuman".

Everone has the right for a fair trail in front of a judge, but these guys are IMHO enemy combatants who, covertly dressed in civilian clothing, use military actions against the population of a foreign nation. The Geneva convention does not protect armed enemy soldiers who mingle under the population of a foreign country they are at war with (the war against the US, Europe and Israel was declared by OBL before the 9/11 attacks) dressed as civilians, and who deploy enemy attacks in this fashion. And let's not remember that their military actions are solely targeting civilians.


They can under the geneva convention be shot at sight, without facing due legal process.

They know this fact up front. The fact that they are willing to disregard the rules of warfare includes the knowledge of them beeing neutralised when posing a threat to civilians.