s35vn compared to s30v?

[CrimsonTideShooter]

Sounds like a more severe roll to me as in it didn't chip out...

Had that happen with S30V as I stated in the other post, but that was after hitting metal.. Edge was folded over to one side pretty good, like a really large burr folded over.

Would rather have that happen than a large chip personally. :)

Have you seen the video? It's much easier to understand if you've seen the visual.


This wasn't any normal mode of failure. A 1/4 inch long section of the secondary bevel (about 1/16 of an inch into the grind) warped over to one side.


It cannot even be considered an "edge failure" since the edge wasn't really affected. You wouldn't want this to happen, this was no roll.

[Cliff Stamp]

I never mentioned that it is easy in home environment to conduct valid test. IMHO it is near impossible, unless you have very serious financial capabilities.

Do you believe that science has only been conducted very recently and before the invention of modern measuring devices it was impossible to conduct valid experiments?

[Cliff Stamp]

It cannot even be considered an "edge failure" since the edge wasn't really affected.

John did Reeve ever comment and say if that was or was not the expected behavior?

[chuck_roxas45]

Lol. I'm looking forward to the next pristine knife laid on a flower picture bro! It's funny that when we encounter each other, your posts are almost always a veiled ad hominem attack on my character. It's fine if you're unable to add any valuable ideas for either point of view.

Of course it's ad hominem John, it's you that's posting the drama. :)

Remember the bradley drama you posted? You couldn't be bothered with sending them in because being a medical student, "you were busy". You did manage to make and upload a few vids during the time period though.

Who else would I "ad hominem"? :D

[PMBohol]

I hope this forum does not turn into another Blade Forums what with all the drama over there. Can we keep it civil?

[chuck_roxas45]

I hope this forum does not turn into another Blade Forums what with all the drama over there. Can we keep it civil?

You're right. I'm out.

[Clip]

John did Reeve ever comment and say if that was or was not the expected behavior?

That's what I was wondering too. Did John ever contact CRK and if so, what was the result?

John, if you did contact and receive a reply, was it suitable to continue using Reeve's products?

[bh49]

Do you believe that science has only been conducted very recently and before the invention of modern measuring devices it was impossible to conduct valid experiments?

Cliff,
All depends how you define "recently". Considering human history, 2-3 thousand years is fairly recent. IIRC Archimedes did quite well in what he did, but probably he would have a hard time to measure speed of light. Did I answered you question? It actually reminded me the question, which prosecutor asked Mona Lisa Vito in "My cousin Vinny" :)

[w3tnz]

CrimsonTideShooter, I thank you for doing your in home blade edge tests. I am sorry you ran afoul of the fan boy factor. It is an ingenus demonstration of a blade performance that could predict how a given knife would perform in my hands.

Its not an accurate representation of how the blade would preform in my hands, or many others, because I would never use/abuse my pocket knife like that, I have never cut manilla rope in my life, and if I did have to cut a length into hundreds of unusable pieces I sure wouldn't be using a folding pocket knife to achieve those ends.

As a consumer spending large amounts of money on a given knife I want to know that I am getting value in that product. For my uses I am buying a $200 to $500 glorified letter opener. However if there is a big disaster or global war (heaven forbid) I would like to have a knife that could make a 108 plus or minus a few cuts on mamilla rope with out significant loss of a sharp edge.

Yeah like that's going to be the number one problem in a disaster situation, ruining good lengths of rope. Maybe you should bring a sharpener to the apocalypse. No knife will stay sharp forever.

How can a total knife rookie like me compare these extremely complex elements that make up an expensive tool like a knife. The "forum experts" have a lot to say about the knifes they own and how long an edge has lasted with some super steel and not with another. Others are just repeating opinions they have heard.

I think that's your category, I actually use one of those knives daily, and have given honest feedback about how the steel preforms under standard edc duty, albeit inconsistent and varied usage, but hey that's a lot closer to REALITY right? What do you think a pocket knife is, there are specialised tools for specialised cutting.

Measurable features on knive blades that would predict edge retention seems to be HRC values. However even that seems to be unreliable according to some.
So what's a guy to do? Blade performance with cutting things and testing sharpness seems to be a real test to me. So CTS you have been a hero till you did the Sebenza S35VN test. All those CRK fan boys whose $500 plus knives did not do so well have launched a 5417 storm on you. I guess you could call it: "Bitter boys bad blade backlash." because their knife value has dropped.
In my opinion others should set up their cameras and cut up some rope and post that on you tube as a rebuttal rather than attacking your character. I find it ironic that one of the people bashing you Chuck_Roxas45 who I think is Singularity35 on another forum has this as his saying to go by: "People will always forgive you for being wrong - but they'll never forgive you for being right.". In fact Chuck that irony inspired me to post this message.

Wow, I don't even know where to start with that total s***post.

If you don't like something, that's fine, don't buy it then. But don't fuel misconception and rumour or take food out of peoples mouths, not that CRK are loosing sleep or money. Neither am I for that matter, but I will leave you with something to read and think about, au revoir.

[chuck_roxas45]

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Wow, I don't even know where to start with that total s***post.

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It's called a man crush. :D

[Zenith]

I recently received my first S35VN knife, finally, that I will be EDCing and using, really looking forward to see how it holds up. It is what some would consider thin behind the edge.

Top knife is a Des Horn Imvubu, it has what the maker considers a very robust grind and it is still significant thinner then a Spyderco Military. The middle knife is a 3D M16 folder from Andre van Heerden with S35VN and the bottom one is a Opinel 8 as a baseline.

0.5 mm is 0.019685 of an inch
1mm is 0.0393701 of an inch

[FCM415]

I may not use my knives as hard, but I use it like any sane person uses a cutting tool in their daily lives. I'm not impressed by someone who boasts about using their knives when all it is, is cutting cardboard and whatever else for no real reason and then poke fun at most others who don't use their knives in the same manner. How many things do you need to cut in a day? So you think your hot stuff because you cut things that dont need to be cut for recreation? Instead of finishing "med school" you hard used your knives to cut manila rope instead. Really, congratulations.

Sharpdressedman it is easy to throw the fanboy card out. It seems that John has em also.

[FCM415]

I may not use my knives as hard, but I use it like any sane person uses a cutting tool in their daily lives. I'm not impressed by someone who boasts about using their knives when all it is, is cutting cardboard and whatever else for no real reason and then poke fun at most others who don't use their knives in the same manner. How many things do you need to cut in a day? So you think your hot stuff because you cut things that dont need to be cut for recreation? Instead of finishing "med school" you hard used your knives to cut manila rope instead. Really, congratulations.

Sharpdressedman it is easy to throw the fanboy card out. It seems that John has em also.

[FCM415]

I may not use my knives as hard, but I use it like any sane person uses a cutting tool in their daily lives. I'm not impressed by someone who boasts about using their knives when all it is, is cutting cardboard and whatever else for no real reason and then poke fun at most others who don't use their knives in the same manner. How many things do you need to cut in a day? So you think your hot stuff because you cut things that dont need to be cut for recreation? Instead of finishing "med school" you hard used your knives to cut manila rope instead. Really, congratulations.

Chuck may have some pretty knife pics to share but I bet that his knife usage is more constructive than sitting there slicing away at card board all day.

Sharpdressedman it is easy to throw the fanboy card out. It seems that John has em also.

[chuck_roxas45]

Lol. I'm looking forward to the next pristine knife laid on a flower picture bro! ...

Nice try John. This is what was outside my fence a few days ago. Unlike you, I have to work. I can't just ask for contributions from YT viewers, you know. :)



These were the tools I used.



I mostly used my M390 millie to cut the weeds that got tangled up in the weed whacker's nylon "blade"



This is how the yard looks now. :)

It's funny that when we encounter each other, your posts are almost always a veiled ad hominem attack on my character. It's fine if you're unable to add any valuable ideas for either point of view.

Ever since you refused to ship the GB's back to Spyderco when you proclaimed to all and sundry that they were "bad", I knew enough that you'd just find a way to blow your own horn. :)

Do you do anything besides cut rope and cardboard that you don't really need to cut? :confused:

[Sharpdressed man]

You missed the point of cutting the rope up. It is a blade edge endurance test and various knives with various blade steels do better than others. A $120 Stretch in ZDP 189 did much better than the $450 CRK in S35VN. The Native in S35VN did poorly too but not as bad as the CRK. So get over it.

[chuck_roxas45]

You missed the point of cutting the rope up. It is a blade edge endurance test and various knives with various blade steels do better than others. A $120 Stretch in ZDP 189 did much better than the $450 CRK in S35VN. The Native in S35VN did poorly too but not as bad as the CRK. So get over it.

But these results show rope cutting too...wonder why you choose to believe that test. :)

I wonder how many knives jdavis tested that he found a problem on, that he shipped back to the manufacturer for closer examination.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showt ... -quot-rope

[w3tnz]

You missed the point of cutting the rope up. It is a blade edge endurance test and various knives with various blade steels do better than others. A $120 Stretch in ZDP 189 did much better than the $450 CRK in S35VN. The Native in S35VN did poorly too but not as bad as the CRK. So get over it.

Edge retention is but one of the many factors that make a good pocket knife. Forcing a blunt knife though stupid-thick rope until it inevitably gives in is not a realistic scenario for the end user. Similar more controlled tests may be of interest to manufacturers. There is a balance between how long your edge lasts, and how long it takes to sharpen it, repair it etc, just because you prefer one attribute does not make the whole better. Keep the knife sharp, it will cut.

[Surfingringo]

Cliff,
All depends how you define "recently". Considering human history, 2-3 thousand years is fairly recent. IIRC Archimedes did quite well in what he did, but probably he would have a hard time to measure speed of light. Did I answered you question? It actually reminded me the question, which prosecutor asked Mona Lisa Vito in "My cousin Vinny" :)

:) . I've got a few knives here at the house. I have an easier time judging which one holds a better edge than measuring the speed of light. But that's just me. We don't have to turn everything into rocket science. We tend to respect peoples opinions on here all the time. Why is it so hard to accept an opinion accompanied by video?

It's still just an opinion. Take it or leave it. The person was just thorough enough to document their experience.

[flipe8]

I'm not about to dismiss anyone's personal experiences with any given product, but if they don't jive with mine, it doesn't create doubt in what I have experienced, either.