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Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:52 pm
by Blerv
I would assume the more robust tip is for the purpose of defense purposes (eg: bone).
I'm sure any Yo or Ronin would work great for a cardboard knife but it's a $150+ box cutter. :eek:
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 3:04 pm
by Evil D
True, but so is my Para, my CF Caly 3, the Para 2 when i buy it..etc. Lets just say the cardboard i cut is very lucky cardboard :D
I've always believed that the best SD knife is the one you use everyday and are most familiar with and can pull it out on reflex alone. If i work with this knife everyday then it'll be like an extension of my arm. If i ever find myself in that situation to need to defend myself (you know, when the cardboard gets unruly), i stand a better chance of using it effectively.
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 9:18 pm
by dj moonbat
Blerv wrote:It's a common fact that with the rising temperature due to "climate change" the Dinosaurs will be making a come-back. You need a very serious point to pierce the skin of a T-Rex.*
*This contains no science or logical thought.
Nonetheless, you have made me rethink my entire premise.
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 9:27 pm
by dj moonbat
Evil D wrote:So is this knife more suited for EDC/utility cutting than the origina Yo was? Meaning, is the tip thicker to the point that it can be used for more than just SD? Or to put it another way, can i cut cardboard all night with it and not worry about snapping the tip off?
I'm new to :spyder: and don't have a Yojimbo. But the photos indicate that the Yo2 moves the spine around quite a bit. The original wharnie shape begins to point downward immediately after the pivot. The one on the Yo2 has a significant "shelf" for the thumb beyond the pivot, in lieu of jimping.
So the spine goes further toward the point. Yet it's hollow ground. So in tip strength, the new grind giveth while taking away.
Janich asserts that the overall blade shape/grind is stronger overall. And he seems to take these kinds of issues seriously. But he may not have taken cardboard fully into the equation.
Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 3:29 am
by sarguy
Blerv wrote:It's a common fact that with the rising temperature due to "climate change" the Dinosaurs will be making a come-back. You need a very serious point to pierce the skin of a T-Rex.*
*This contains no science or logical thought.
LOL, and of course, the zombie-smurf apocalypse will happen between now and the return of the dinosaurs, so we'll need a model in smurf-killer blue, too.
And a trainer :)
Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 6:06 am
by fifthprofession47
I will EDC the Yojimbo 2 as a dedicated personal defense knife. Like all of my EDC knives tasked with this purpose, it will not be used for utility cutting. I have a second knife (Delica) for that purpose.
Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 9:14 pm
by Dr. Snubnose
Ditto on not using a dedicated SD knife for utility.....Doc :D
Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 9:31 pm
by psychophipps
Tritto(?) here. My folder is my beater. My other two carry blades are for emergencies and SD only.
Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 10:43 pm
by Dr. Snubnose
I hear a lot of guys say nowadays that you need to use your dedicated SD knife as a utility knife...the reason being: 1)You get the feel of the knife in hand while it's cutting, 2) You become familiar with your knife by using it, and when you need it for SD it will be like an old friend, something you are used to....Well I can agree only so far with this logic. That might be the way to go if you never doing any type of training with your knife. If you train with it...you will know how it feels in hand...test it and you will know how it cuts...but If you are going to carry that knife for SD, it will only stay the sharpest by not using it during your daily routine for utility tasks...Now that might seem obvious...but the point being I want my SD knives to be as sharp as possible in case I might call on them to work. If that means even sharpening them every few days to take any micro-rust off the blade edge, even though I haven't used them for anything...then so be it....I have other knives I carry for utility and I use them for all type of chores...heavy and light...if they don't hold up..I'll get another one that will...But my self-defense knives are for cutting only one thing and one thing only...hope to never have to use them, but they must always be ready and sharp....Doc :D
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 6:58 am
by Michael Janich
Thanks, everyone, for the lively discussion on the Yo2. In the process, you've determined the REAL reason for the re-design:
The zombie dinosaur apocalypse.
It's coming... I know it is...
Stay safe,
Mike
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 7:02 am
by sarguy
Michael Janich wrote:Thanks, everyone, for the lively discussion on the Yo2. In the process, you've determined the REAL reason for the re-design:
The zombie dinosaur apocalypse.
It's coming... I know it is...
Stay safe,
Mike
I guess that's what happens when the dinosaurs eat the infected brains of the zombie smurfs.
"...people used to laugh when I talked of the zombie dinosaur apocalypse, but who's laughing now?"
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 7:05 am
by Evil D
My thoughts about the SD-for-EDC knife thing is exactly because i have no training with knives or knife defense...so i'm sure my way of thinking is only one side of it. I honestly don't look at my knives as weapons...they're tools...but i will use a screw driver in self defense just as i'll use my knife in self defense, if it ever did come down to it.
Honestly though, i just plain old love the looks of both the Yojimbo and the Yo 2...they're awesome looking knives and knife aesthetics are a guilty pleasure of mine
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 10:42 am
by Blerv
Dr. Snubnose wrote:I hear a lot of guys say nowadays that you need to use your dedicated SD knife as a utility knife...the reason being: 1)You get the feel of the knife in hand while it's cutting, 2) You become familiar with your knife by using it, and when you need it for SD it will be like an old friend, something you are used to....Well I can agree only so far with this logic. That might be the way to go if you never doing any type of training with your knife. If you train with it...you will know how it feels in hand...test it and you will know how it cuts...but If you are going to carry that knife for SD, it will only stay the sharpest by not using it during your daily routine for utility tasks...Now that might seem obvious...but the point being I want my SD knives to be as sharp as possible in case I might call on them to work. If that means even sharpening them every few days to take any micro-rust off the blade edge, even though I haven't used them for anything...then so be it....I have other knives I carry for utility and I use them for all type of chores...heavy and light...if they don't hold up..I'll get another one that will...But my self-defense knives are for cutting only one thing and one thing only...hope to never have to use them, but they must always be ready and sharp....Doc :D
Agreed on SOOO many levels.
The heaviest task my large folder see is occasionally opening up a bag of junk food. I have a SE ladybug and SE dragonfly that get abused beyond belief. They have convinced me over and over how tough a pinned, unlined, FRN knife is. :)
With something like the Yo being used as a "daily folder" I guess it depends on why you bought the knife. If you never considered defense and just wanted a sharp tipped wharnie, why not? If you actually bought it with some SD/Military/LEO thought in mind, not a great idea. Since much of a wharnie is the tip sharpness, dulling or potentially breaking it is at the least taboo.
While Tolkien's use of a broken sword to defeat Sauron was cool. You had to know that dude was like, "FML...oh well!"
Michael Janich wrote:
The zombie dinosaur apocalypse.
It's coming... I know it is...
Stay safe,
Mike
One more reason why I know Spyderco hired the right guy. :cool:
Trust no one Mike...especially zombie dinosaurs.
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 11:35 pm
by sarguy
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 1:24 am
by SlideTechnik
Michael Janich wrote:
The zombie dinosaur apocalypse.
Oh snap, zombie dinosaur apocolypses are the worst kind.
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:21 am
by Michael Janich
sarguy wrote:
That's funny! True, but still funny!
Thanks!!!
Stay safe,
Mike
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:26 am
by Michael Janich
Check out this video of the Yo 2 from Downrange TV:
http://outdoorchannel.com/Events/SHOT20 ... MWTgDRnm3R
Enjoy!
Stay safe,
Mike
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 9:02 am
by Gibsoniam
Very good look at the Yojimbo 2! Thanks, Michael!
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 11:16 am
by Blerv
Hey Mike,
Is it too early to ask about the blade length on the proto? It looks certainly longer than 3" (and WIDE! :D ). Is it 3.5" or even longer? *hopes for 3.5*
train hard and stay safe!
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:36 pm
by Michael Cook
:spyder: Ha ha, the yoji 2 will be the easiest sell of a knife to my girlfriend this year! (she runs my finances) I'll just show her my smurf killers and then these videos showing the upgrades in addition to Mr. Janich being my knife teacher and I'll actually be able to b.s. a need to buy a new knife when my collection obviously argues otherwise! Ha! I'm teaching her MBC so perhaps I'll be able to convince her to get one too!! Any teasing hint of a trainer?? :spyder: