Knife Works Para2 up for preorder

[FCM415]

Then again, I understand that if someone is willing to pay 800 for a Para2, it's on the buyer. For a limited knife though that just came out this week and seeing how much people are pricing them at, I suppose it's a flippers paradise and I shouldn't rain in on their party.

[PMBohol]

It is what it is and after all the hype and over a year of waiting nobody should be surprised. What is even sadder is how many of these people who will buy this knife at double or triple the price will eventually put the knife in a drawer somewhere after all the thrill is gone.

[Philo Beddoe]

Yes we all know that, and your post has been repeated exactly as stated hundreds of times already. It's still annoying to see it being sold for $300 the very day it comes out. You are really comparing dealers to flippers? I heard that one before also, kind of an asinine comparison. No one who complains about the prices are necessarily against free market. It is just disturbing to see that in the end, people are still taking advantage of the situation that other hobbyists are in, if they really didn't want the knife like they say, they could have called Ashley to pass it along to someone on the wait list. You see, some people are into the hobby for the knives, and not for profiting on other hobbyists' wallets. Flame suit on... Ready for the "Get a grip with reality and the way things are" response. I know how it is, but I don't have to like it.

The only thing "asinine" is you can't handle the truth and rather set around whining on a forum because some dude made a few dollars a knife. Big deal, get a life. If you don't like how a free market society works you can always find some other place to live...whaaaaaaahh.

Personally IMO its none of my business what on/how people spend their money. Why? Because its their money. If it floats their boat to spend x amount of dollars on a knife then more power to em.

[FCM415]

I expected that response, right on cue, complete with the whaaaa :cool:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showt ... y-going-on

Look at post 12, I called it! ROFL. Don't give a crap, just amused that I did. Still, I shouldn't have responded to your post like I did. I do need to bow out of this sensitive subject. Really pointless.

[chuck_roxas45]

I expected that response, right on cue, complete with the whaaaa :cool:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showt ... y-going-on

Look at post 12, I called it! ROFL. Don't give a crap, just amused that I did. I do need to bow out of this sensitive subject though. Really pointless.

You called it FCM415! :D

Yeh, the excuse always is "capitalism" or "free market".

I also wonder why people can't post their opinion without "those guys" coming out of the woodwork, trying to scold. "But Mommy, everyone else is doing it". :p

[CarbonFiberNut]

IMHO, flipping is kinda skeezy. I'm sure many of us have done it at some point (I have, when I was a big Busse nut), but that doesn't make it any less skeezy. I'll admit to having done it, and I'll admit to being tempted in recent months (seeing that I'm currently unemployed, the extra cash would be nice), but I still feel dirty about the idea.

Seeing flippers go on the defensive and start getting nasty whenever someone expresses even the slightest reservations about the practice is quite hilarious, though. :D

[chuck_roxas45]

IMHO, flipping is kinda skeezy. I'm sure many of us have done it at some point (I have, when I was a big Busse nut), but that doesn't make it any less skeezy. I'll admit to having done it, and I'll admit to being tempted in recent months (seeing that I'm currently unemployed, the extra cash would be nice), but I still feel dirty about the idea.

Seeing flippers go on the defensive and start getting nasty whenever someone expresses even the slightest reservations about the practice is quite hilarious, though. :D

I don't really mind so much about knife afis buying then later on deciding to sell and sell at the prevailing price. Or even buying several just to subsidize the one they will keep. It's the non knife nuts who buy just to flip, and who just want to make money off of the afis, that I don't have a very good opinion of, but I guess they don't care what I think of them in the least. :D

[black]

G10 Endura Green Para2 ZDP-189 LadyBug

Do you see that V-shaped scratch on the para2's pivot? I have that on my black para as well. Wonder what's the "story" behind it.


Congrats to all that finally received their green para2.

[chuck_roxas45]

Do you see that V-shaped scratch on the para2's pivot? I have that on my black para as well. Wonder what's the "story" behind it.


Congrats to all that finally received their green para2.

Marker? So it's easy to see how much you've turned the screw?

[senorsquare]

I don't really mind so much about knife afis buying then later on deciding to sell and sell at the prevailing price. Or even buying several just to subsidize the one they will keep. It's the non knife nuts who buy just to flip, and who just want to make money off of the afis, that I don't have a very good opinion of, but I guess they don't care what I think of them in the least. :D

I only sell my knives to get other knives and I'm not a very good entrepreneur it seems. I think I've broke even or lost money on all the knives I've sold. I did have an extra blue PM2 that I bought as a backup. I sold because I wanted a Southard at the time. The Southard was $225 so I sold the Para for $235 to cover fees and shipping. The guy who bought is was all like "this is awesome, gonna carry this everyday, blah blah blah!" He turned around and sold it three days later for $300 and I am like "D'oh! WTF was I thinking?". Wish I'd kept that one because by the time the money hit my bank, the southard was gone so I ended up buying other things.

It all worked out well enough for me though. I recently sold a Native and my Military in anticipation of the Cruwear Millie arriving soon. Because that got delayed I had the funds to jump on one of the green CC's from HKS, and I couldn't be happier with it. I'm one lucky SOB this time around.

All in all I feel quite fortunate to have just enough financial resources to participate in a market where grown men act like a bunch of kids collecting Beanie Babies. And remember, it's okay to take advantage of those less fortunate because freedom! :D

Oh, and once again, these aren't for sale :p


Untitled by senorsquare, on Flickr

[Chopping Broccoli]

I really do not understand why anyone cares what happens on the secondary market. The only thing I would be pissed about is if Sal personally was manipulating the market and decided to flip some of these himself. Maybe hold 100 back and then trickle them out on ebay one at a time for $300+. He's not doing that. In fact everyone has just as good (fair) of a chance to purchase/preorder one of these at MSRP. I did. Many of you did. If you didn't, tough. That's what makes this a limited release knife. Its special and commands a higher demand and price. This activity is too be expected. I'm all but certain the same people who sell a house or some shares of stock at a gain do not have the same feelings about making a profit. I do not understand why they feel self righteous about a knife. I for one am glad these are selling for $300. It makes my knife feel even more valuable to me and confirms that I made a good choice picking one of these up when I had the chance. Yes...we live in a free market society. Yes...some people are going to pay more for MSRP... That's what makes this a free market society. They can choose to pay whatever they want. Blah Blah Blah.... I just don't see how the secondary market prices are anything other than a compliment to Spyderco for producing a product in such high demand.

[chuck_roxas45]

I really do not understand why anyone cares what happens on the secondary market. The only thing I would be pissed about is if Sal personally was manipulating the market and decided to flip some of these himself. Maybe hold 100 back and then trickle them out on ebay one at a time for $300+. He's not doing that. In fact everyone has just as good (fair) of a chance to purchase/preorder one of these at MSRP. I did. Many of you did. If you didn't, tough. That's what makes this a limited release knife. Its special and commands a higher demand and price. This activity is too be expected. I'm all but certain the same people who sell a house or some shares of stock at a gain do not have the same feelings about making a profit. I do not understand why they feel self righteous about a knife. I for one am glad these are selling for $300. It makes my knife feel even more valuable to me and confirms that I made a good choice picking one of these up when I had the chance. Yes...we live in a free market society. Yes...some people are going to pay more for MSRP... That's what makes this a free market society. They can choose to pay whatever they want. Blah Blah Blah.... I just don't see how the secondary market prices are anything other than a compliment to Spyderco for producing a product in such high demand.

Yep... :D

And there's nothing anybody can say to make you understand. OTOH, there's nothing you can say to convince us to change our opinion too.

But you don't care about our opinions, do you? So why even try. :)

[nirvanero]

I just hate this flipper industry behind Spyderco sprint runs but it's something unavoidable, at least in this space and time.

[bh49]

Not a secret, it's one of these: http://www.dpxgear.com/shop/knives/dpx- ... lspec.html

it looks nice.

It's the non knife nuts who buy just to flip, and who just want to make money off of the afis, that I don't have a very good opinion of

Sometimes things are not what they looks like, but we still rush to judgement. If we talk in general about flipping, I agree it is not nice making money of your friends.
I read this thread on BF and at least one "flipper" give reasonable explanation why he sold his para right away. I have a friend. At one time he had over 100 spydercos. His favorites always were Miliys and paras. A little over a year ago the company he is working for lost a lot of business. Many people were laid-off. He fortunately has a job, but he went from 50/58 hour a week to 40. During the year I saw him selling a lot of his knives. But he was waiting for green Para, saying that he deserve a treat: he didn't buy a knife for very long time. About four weeks ago he hurt his knee and could barely walk. He needed to stay home, but just couldn't afford. Things get worse and he couldn't work. His company doesn't have any paid sick days. Short term disability insurance doesn't cover the first week and after that 50%. He is home for three weeks already. He was one of the first, who sold his para on BF.

[Bill1170]

A couple of wallpapers for you.

Green Para-Military2


G10 Endura Green Para2 ZDP-189 LadyBug

What happened to the tang stamp on the PM2 in the top photograph? Photoshop?

[nirvanero]

He is home for three weeks already. He was one of the first, who sold his para on BF.

I wouldn't call your friend a flipper, that's survival. Another category are the tactics of those guys buying two of each sprint run and "sprint running" to sell one to make profit... and the one who buys this knife and the next month tries to re-sell it even more expensive... well, I don't think the guy buying this Para2 por $800 is the next flipper, but you never know!

At the end of the day, this is part of the game and the same as with Chaparral 3. Nobody puts a gun in your head to buy any knife (sometimes just the opposite).

[Bill1170]

The purist knife enthusiast in me is offended by the practice of buying knives with the advance intention of flipping for profit. Such people are mere speculators performing a business calculation. Why should this offend me? Probably it is because the calculating nature of this approach feels so cold and devoid of the fond enthusiasm for the cutler's art that binds so many of us together. It is legal and can be profitable, but it still feels like an empty practice that fails to add any value to the community. The only goal is selfish gain.

[Tdog]

If folks want to ruin this thread by turning it into a "flipping' discussion please go here: http://www.spyderco.com/forums/showthre ... ht=flipper this is thread that turned me off on posting to this forum. Why spend your time finding fault with others?

[bh49]

I wouldn't call your friend a flipper, that's survival.

I do not consider him a flipper either. But this is just one example that not everything is what it looks like.

[Invective]

Just got my 204P Para in!!

It's my first Para2, although I had a Para1 but I traded that off for some Mule Scales since I didn't like the ergos. PM2 ergos are definitely improved though, and it's a lot bigger than I thought it would be haha. I thought it would be Yo2 sized but it's slightly bigger!

Pictures too!






I'm kinda sad I didn't get collectors number 30 though, I got a Caly 3.5 SB with that one so it would have been cool to get a matching pair but honestly I'm just glad I got one!