Native 5 salt is Magnacut?

[Freediver]

That’s awesome. A Magnacut Pacific Salt would be my absolute grail knife.

[Spicy Suplex]

That’s awesome. A Magnacut Pacific Salt would be my absolute grail knife.

Deal me in for a MagnaChef!

....and ladybug and dragonfly and leafjumper and..

Ah! I've got it! Niche request: throw us a MagnaCut Centofante 3!

Joking aside, though, it's pretty exciting and I'll be there with the rest of ya trying to get my Native!

[T2C]

count me in for this one !

[bearfacedkiller]

We already had folks requesting a salt version of almost every knife and it seems like I have heard a lot of requests to Magnacut many models.

Here come the requests to Magnacut everything.

[Evil D]

We already had folks requesting a salt version of almost every knife and it seems like I have heard a lot of requests to Magnacut many models.

Here come the requests to Magnacut everything.

I really like the idea of MagnaCut satisfying both requests. I really hope it works out as a Salt steel. I know I've requested Salt versions of a lot of knives but my interest there is usually because I want serrations and/or H1 and LC, but I may get all of that with this steel even if the resulting knife isn't technically a full Salt model in terms of the liners and hardware.

[prndltech]

We already had folks requesting a salt version of almost every knife and it seems like I have heard a lot of requests to Magnacut many models.

Here come the requests to Magnacut everything.

Yup, if the lc200n everything happened now they’d want it in magnacut instead

[ladybug93]

i'm wondering if the reason for looking to switch is the galvanic corrosion lc200n is subject to when places against other metals. if magnacut doesn't suffer the same corrosion, that might make it much easier to work with in designs. and, if that's the case, i bet that's a good trade-off from a production standpoint.

[GarageBoy]

I dont know...

Theres plenty of "very stainless" stuff out there.
My entire talking point and endorsement of the salt series is basically guaranteeing its a rust proof knife. Not a 90 something% rust proof knife.

With that said...
Im sure for most people it will be a better option. In fact I think I would rather hear about rust specs than someone going on a rant about how bad pe h1 is, and how because of that we all dont know what were doing and spyderco doesnt make good knives, etc.

But can it do what h1 does and what lc200n can do if you have no contamination issues? Can it live at the beach, live in a kayak for a year, live in a dive bcd pocket for 100 dives and actually not need to be rinsed?

Its fine if its not on h1 level, it just makes talking about or recommending the knives a bit awkward when I tell someone get a spyderco salt series but first let me give you a lesson on 3 different steels. (I mean I love talking about it personally but Im sure most "normal" people dont want to hear it.)

Salt should definitely have defined criteria. S110v is very corrosion resistant, how close is it to magnacut in that aspect?

[aicolainen]

I'm surprised, but glad to see MagnaCut in the Salt line.
Even if it proves to be less corrosion resistant than LC200N, it does at least mean it gets "saltified" HW that can keep up with the blade steel.

It's a bold move, so I assume the new N5S will act as a large scale test of sorts, and that we might not see a lot of other Salt branded magnacut models before results of that "test" has been concluded.

For my own use, I've pictured Magnacut as kind of the ideal knife steel for my inland endeavors in wet, damp and sweaty environments. A salt designation isn't likely to change that, but it will give me even more confidence under those conditions.
I'm not often around salt water and when I am, I mostly use my knife to process fish and prep food, for which I'll probably keep using H-1 and LC200N. Not demanding tasks in an of themselves, but for multi day camping trips along the coast I often have to use salt water for dishes and cleaning, so good corrosion resistance gives me peace of mind when I know I might be without access to fresh water for a prolonged time.

[Accutron]

In the big Magnacut thread on BF, there was recently a post from somebody who cut a hot Thanksgiving turkey with a custom Magnacut fixed blade and it developed a patina. I wonder if Spyderco's testing has revealed this potential?

[Michael Janich]

Ohhhhhhhkaaaaaay so now the next logical question is....


....will every model done in MagnaCut be considered a Salt model too? If for example Spyderco started making random non Salt models in H1, it surely would have people assuming the knife was a Salt due to the steel.

Are we to assume the Mule is a Salt?

Mule Team blades are only identified as members of the Mule Team; there isn't a separate Salt category. When the LC200N Mule was released, we acknowledged its extreme corrosion resistance, but didn't create a separate category for it. The literature for the MagnaCut Mule does the same thing--it acknowledges the special properties of the steel.

If a knife blade is made from MagnaCut, it will still have the unique properties of that steel, including extreme corrosion resistance. Whether it will be marketed specifically as a Salt knife remains to be seen. Those decisions are above my pay grade.

Stay safe,

Mike

[senorsquare]

In the big Magnacut thread on BF, there was recently a post from somebody who cut a hot Thanksgiving turkey with a custom Magnacut fixed blade and it developed a patina. I wonder if Spyderco's testing has revealed this potential?

This is just a hunch, but I'd imagine heat treat and blade finish could have a significant effect on ultimate corrosion resistance. The blade you mention being a custom means the maker may have used a different heat treat protocol that may prioritize other performance characteristics over pure stainless performance. It will be interesting to start seeing more real world performance reviews for this steel.

[z1r]

I don't what it's marked, I'm still getting one. Truthfully, the corrosion resistance isn't the selling point but it is a huge plus!

[Gtscotty]

That’s awesome. A Magnacut Pacific Salt would be my absolute grail knife.

Deal me in for a MagnaChef!

....and ladybug and dragonfly and leafjumper and..

Ah! I've got it! Niche request: throw us a MagnaCut Centofante 3!

Joking aside, though, it's pretty exciting and I'll be there with the rest of ya trying to get my Native!

I agree, that given the price point and main intended use case of the Chef, MagnaCut seems like an apex steel option, hopefully a MagnaChef isn't far off.

With the salts, I'm less interested in Nth degree corrosion resistance than I am in excellent blade corrosion resistance matched with equally resistant lock/liner parts and fasteners.

[tonijedi]

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With the salts, I'm less interested in Nth degree corrosion resistance than I am in excellent blade corrosion resistance matched with equally resistant lock/liner parts and fasteners.

Exactly. I've found that corrosion resistance of folders is generally low because of their moving parts, often small and inaccessible. A VG10 or 12C28N fixed blade is plenty stainless, but a VG10 Delica, with it's liners, moving parts etc. isn't.

[lilshaver]

Its fine if its not on h1 level, it just makes talking about or recommending the knives a bit awkward when I tell someone get a spyderco salt series but first let me give you a lesson on 3 different steels. (I mean I love talking about it personally but Im sure most "normal" people dont want to hear it.)

So my answer to this is to quit talking to "normal" people, at least about knives.
I believe the biblical term is something about casting pearls before swine.

[Vaugith]

The heat treat angle interests me. I know this is yet untested but curious how much difference would there be in corrosion resistance at 60HRC vs 64HRC? Would it be enough difference to offer magnacut in salt models at one heat treat optimized for corrosion resistance and offer it in other models optimized for edge retention and apex stability?

[JRinFL]

We already had folks requesting a salt version of almost every knife and it seems like I have heard a lot of requests to Magnacut many models.

Here come the requests to Magnacut everything.

I believe I said from the start that if MC lives up to the advanced billing, it will likely replace most mid-grade blade steels. More extreme steels would still be around like Maxamet, for instance. Why would I want S30V/S35VN/S45VN/VG10/N690co/etc. when I could have MC for a similar price? Of course, this assumes makers don't charge a premium for MC despite its cost being similar to other PM steels. However, after two tough years, I expect there to be a premium applied.

[ZrowsN1s]

For people who's highest priority is edge retention, there are reasons to choose S30V and S45VN over Magnacut. Same reason I'd pick S90V over any of those, corrosion resistance and toughness are less of a priority for me.

That said I'm excited to try Magnacut, for those applications where stainless and toughness is a priority, it has good edge retention compared to it's peers with similar toughness and corrosion resistance.

[Evil D]

The heat treat angle interests me. I know this is yet untested but curious how much difference would there be in corrosion resistance at 60HRC vs 64HRC? Would it be enough difference to offer magnacut in salt models at one heat treat optimized for corrosion resistance and offer it in other models optimized for edge retention and apex stability?

I guess the follow up question would be, how does changing the heat treat effect edge retention and toughness, and does that drop MagnaCut more in line with H1/LC200N and defeat the purpose?