The Mastiff wrote:27 year relationships are rare indeed and I'm glad it's recognized and valued. We are talking about one of the worlds most well respected cutlery manufacturers. Along with their production capacity you get their relationship with the steel manufacturers and working relationship with engineers and metallurgists and heat treaters. Underrated but valuable resources especially when it's no longer available. I'd always try to give them a fair shake at bids as well as working with them during times of changes. They are probably having grandchildren of the first generation Spyderco worked with entering the job and learning. It takes time and experience which can only be learned hands on with repetition in a skilled job like that. Assembly line work with drop in parts differs from hand fitting and finishing a product. I got to learn that lesson on revolvers.
I'd guess setting up and enlarging the Golden plant and capacity gives good perspective on this.
Joe
+1
Donut wrote:Isn't 2/1000" = 0.002" and 10/1000" = 0.01" so ranging from 0.002"-0.010" ? I think you're aiming for 0.006" with an up or down of 0.004".
That's just what I see in the numbers. You could have hit an extra 0 in your number.
*edit* No, I'm wrong, they're aiming for 0.000 error and holding a range within 0.002" to 0.010".
I interpreted Sal's "2- 10/1000" to mean "two ten-thousandths" of an inch tolerance (0.0002"), which I think is the same thing bh49 was referring to, instead of a range between 2 thousandths and 10 thousandths :)
K-390 on hand: Mule Team 17, Police 4 G-10, Endela (burlap micarta), Endela backup, Endura (canvas micarta), Straight Stretch (now blade-swapped with G-10 Stretch), Delica Wharncliffe, Dragonfly Wharncliffe, & Dragonfly Wharncliffe shorty mod Note to self: Less is more.
The Mastiff wrote:27 year relationships are rare indeed and I'm glad it's recognized and valued. We are talking about one of the worlds most well respected cutlery manufacturers. Along with their production capacity you get their relationship with the steel manufacturers and working relationship with engineers and metallurgists and heat treaters. Underrated but valuable resources especially when it's no longer available. I'd always try to give them a fair shake at bids as well as working with them during times of changes. They are probably having grandchildren of the first generation Spyderco worked with entering the job and learning. It takes time and experience which can only be learned hands on with repetition in a skilled job like that. Assembly line work with drop in parts differs from hand fitting and finishing a product. I got to learn that lesson on revolvers.
I'd guess setting up and enlarging the Golden plant and capacity gives good perspective on this.
Donut wrote:
The only negative things I've heard of Moki was the lack of a laser to cut the holes, which lead the Caly to need a laminated blade. Also, the detent mis-aligning on the Starmate.
there were few more comments/observations about Moki. Gritty actions on Calys within last few years. Also Kopas, Moki had no desire to work with scale materials, which Spyderco wanted. I am not sure, considering 2015 discontinued list, what Moki is making for Spyderco now, except CF Caly 3.5 and may be Kiwi2.
Sad to hear this, my moki knives are actually my favourite spydies
matt009au wrote:
Sad to hear this, my moki knives are actually my favorite spydies
+1
I got into Spydercos in 2005. At that time IMHO Spydies made by Moki were top notch in fit&finish department. Just to mane a few: Original Persians large and 75mm, Kiwis, Kopas, Calys, Kris. I love my Calys and bought quite a few of them, when they came out. I never had good idea about gritty action, because none of mine had it, until I bought Caly3 ZDP couple weeks ago.
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The Mastiff wrote:27 year relationships are rare indeed and I'm glad it's recognized and valued. We are talking about one of the worlds most well respected cutlery manufacturers. Along with their production capacity you get their relationship with the steel manufacturers and working relationship with engineers and metallurgists and heat treaters. Underrated but valuable resources especially when it's no longer available. I'd always try to give them a fair shake at bids as well as working with them during times of changes. They are probably having grandchildren of the first generation Spyderco worked with entering the job and learning. It takes time and experience which can only be learned hands on with repetition in a skilled job like that. Assembly line work with drop in parts differs from hand fitting and finishing a product. I got to learn that lesson on revolvers.
I'd guess setting up and enlarging the Golden plant and capacity gives good perspective on this.
Joe
Good summation, Joe.
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matt009au wrote:
Sad to hear this, my moki knives are actually my favorite spydies
+1
I got into Spydercos in 2005. At that time IMHO Spydies made by Moki were top notch in fit&finish department. Just to mane a few: Original Persians large and 75mm, Kiwis, Kopas, Calys, Kris. I love my Calys and bought quite a few of them, when they came out. I never had good idea about gritty action, because none of mine had it, until I bought Caly3 ZDP couple weeks ago.
My CF Caly 3.5 ZDP was my second spydie, which I bought almost 3 years ago, and it had the gritty action and was very difficult to open. When I disassembled it (probably unnecessary), I found some fine black thread-like particles around the pivot, which I thought at the time could be metal filings, but I'm pretty sure now that they were just carbon fiber particles from the pivot hole in the scale. It was very easy to clean out and it became my smoothest operating knife and one of my all-time favorites afterward. I suppose the particles could be from a change in the carbon fiber material, the way it's drilled, or lack of proper cleaning in assembly.
On the plus side (for me at least :rolleyes: ), I came to this forum to discuss it, was very taken by all the nice, concerned guys trying to help me out with it, and haven't left since :D
K-390 on hand: Mule Team 17, Police 4 G-10, Endela (burlap micarta), Endela backup, Endura (canvas micarta), Straight Stretch (now blade-swapped with G-10 Stretch), Delica Wharncliffe, Dragonfly Wharncliffe, & Dragonfly Wharncliffe shorty mod Note to self: Less is more.
DougC-3 wrote:
My CF Caly 3.5 ZDP was my second spydie, which I bought almost 3 years ago, and it had the gritty action and was very difficult to open. When I disassembled it (probably unnecessary), I found some fine black thread-like particles around the pivot, which I thought at the time could be metal filings, but I'm pretty sure now that they were just carbon fiber particles from the pivot hole in the scale. It was very easy to clean out and it became my smoothest operating knife and one of my all-time favorites afterward. I suppose the particles could be from a change in the carbon fiber material, the way it's drilled, or lack of proper cleaning in assembly.
On the plus side (for me at least :rolleyes: ), I came to this forum to discuss it, was very taken by all the nice, concerned guys trying to help me out with it, and haven't left since :D
How did you disassemble it? My Caly 3.5CF doesn't have screws but rather studs...
My Caly 3 ZDP-189 that I have had for a few years is the smoothest Spyderco I have. The action is very slick and the fit and finish are perfect. You cannot see the lines between liners, spacers, and lock. It is a wonderful knife. I hope they sort this out.
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DougC-3 wrote:
My CF Caly 3.5 ZDP was my second spydie, which I bought almost 3 years ago, and it had the gritty action and was very difficult to open.
Doug,
I bought most of my Calys way before 2012. First G10 Caly3 was purchased in September of 2006, CF about a year later. G10 Caly3.5 in 2010. I never owned Caly3.5 CF.
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ScottH wrote:How did you disassemble it? My Caly 3.5CF doesn't have screws but rather studs...
Probably just blade removal.
RIght, I just unscrewed the pivot and removed the blade and cleaned around the pivot and lockbar. But, as everybody tried to tell me, I think I could have cleaned it adequately just by washing it out with a CLP product, opening and closing it repeatedly, blowing it out with canned air, etc, or even just by doing the same thing in warm water with Dawn, followed by blow-drying, CLP or other lubricant.
K-390 on hand: Mule Team 17, Police 4 G-10, Endela (burlap micarta), Endela backup, Endura (canvas micarta), Straight Stretch (now blade-swapped with G-10 Stretch), Delica Wharncliffe, Dragonfly Wharncliffe, & Dragonfly Wharncliffe shorty mod Note to self: Less is more.
I just bought a Caly 3, not knowing it had been discontinued, and I absolutely love the knife. It fits perfectly in my hand, and for me it is the perfect size for an EDC knife. I haven't experienced any "gritty" feeling when opening the knife - it opens very smoothly. In view of all the superb reviews of the Caly that I have read online - which was one of the factors that pursuade me to purchase the knife - I'm really kind of surprised that it has been discontinued. But I'm very glad I was able to get the knife while it is still widely available.
The Caly 3.5 is a king among Spydercos, and firmly remains in my top 3. The CF versions are not my cup of tea though, the G10 versions are where it's at!
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I really do need to pick up a 3.5, the only one I have is a SB and its pristine in box and just cant bring myself to use it, always have my eye out for another SB user but they have become so rare as everyone knows. Maybe I should just grab a plain Jane G10 and be done with it.
Happy to be part of this great forum and group of down to earth spyderco addicts, Thanks Sal and gang. My Grails:Lum Tanto folder sprint, Sprint Persian(red), Captain, Manix 2 (M4), SB MT, PM2 M390, CF dodo, Manix2 (CF S90V),Manix2 XL S90V, ZowadaCF BalanceRassenti Nivarna, Lil' Nilakka, Tuff, Police 4,Chinook 4, Caly HAP4052100 Military, S110V Military, Any/All PM2 & Military sprints/exclusives I can get my grubby hands on :) :spyder: :) :spyder: :)
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RadioactiveSpyder wrote:The Caly 3.5 is a king among Spydercos, and firmly remains in my top 3. The CF versions are not my cup of tea though, the G10 versions are where it's at!
+1
Lately I found myself carrying Caly3.5 almost every day. IMHO Caly3.5 is one of the best EDC ever made.
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Agreed, the 3.5 is a fantastic knife. It has been my primary edc for the last few years. Would love to see the Caly 3.5 with a high edge retention stainless. Had mine around the ocean last week. The zdp rusts quickly. The Mantra 2 is starting to get some of the Caly pocket time. Also a fantastic knife.
Tdog wrote:Agreed, the 3.5 is a fantastic knife. It has been my primary edc for the last few years. Would love to see the Caly 3.5 with a high edge retention stainless. Had mine around the ocean last week. The zdp rusts quickly. The Mantra 2 is starting to get some of the Caly pocket time. Also a fantastic knife.
Happen to have any photos of the rust on your ZDP-189?
