I've sharpened up a full SE Military, full SE Native and a Combo-Edge Chinook.JNewell wrote:How many of you guys pleading for 440V blades have actually owned, used and (here's the real catch) sharpened these blades? :spyder: :)
My experience with S60V and S90V and S110V is that S60V is a lot harder to get a good edge on. I find it very hard to get rid of the wire edge on S60V with any medium, but I don't have any similar troubles with S90V or S110V. There may be tricks for S60V that I haven't learned. :)Invective wrote:I've sharpened up a full SE Military, full SE Native and a Combo-Edge Chinook.
Not fun at all but diamonds are a guys best friend :D Not as bad as sharpening up S90V or S110V although the SE definitely present more of a challenge. Takes more care since you have to focus on the scallops but other than that I haven't had any problems.
I've used my Lil'Temp extensively for several years. Sharpening is a bit slow, but not really difficult. Edge holding is good, not had any chipping issues either.JNewell wrote:How many of you guys pleading for 440V blades have actually owned, used and (here's the real catch) sharpened these blades? :spyder: :)
Even though this is an ATS-55 thread I can still appreciate where you all are coming from talking about 440V ( S60V) because I've always liked that steel better than it's successor S30V. Also the 440V era was happening at about the same time the ATS-55 era was in play. I truly think that both those steels were much better than AUS-6, AUS-8, GIN-1, or 3 others I could name.NoFair wrote:I've used my Lil'Temp extensively for several years. Sharpening is a bit slow, but not really difficult. Edge holding is good, not had any chipping issues either.
Isn't the ultimate trick in eliminating any wire edge to use alternating strokes?JNewell wrote:My experience with S60V and S90V and S110V is that S60V is a lot harder to get a good edge on. I find it very hard to get rid of the wire edge on S60V with any medium, but I don't have any similar troubles with S90V or S110V. There may be tricks for S60V that I haven't learned. :)
Yes. Sharpmaker. S60V doesn't easily give up the wire edge, at least not for me using the SM. Have you had different results?Donut wrote:Isn't the ultimate trick in eliminating any wire edge to use alternating strokes?
From just your statement, I assume you are doing free hand or using the edge pro.
I think the reasons that they changed from 440V in the Golden Colorado USA Earth Spyders and the reason they changed from ATS-55 to VG-10 on the Japan made Spyders are for completely different reasons all together.JNewell wrote:That's sort of my point and why Spyderco switched. It's a great steel but it's tempermental. For most uses and most users I think it's fair to say there are better options today.
Noooo!JD Spydo wrote:But the more I think about it I believe ATS-34 was used in fewer models than ATS-55 was.
One model in ATS-34 that I always wanted but just never was able to snag and that is the Jess Horn model C-27 with the stag handle. It is one of the very few Spyders that didn't have the hole in the blade>> it had a trapezoidal indent instead of the hole. Two other ATS-34 models were the titanium Salsa and the late 90s Military model.Donut wrote:Noooo!
I've been wanting an ATS-34 blade. I guess I need to go full throttle on finding one.
By the way, I really like reading this thread. :)
That C-27 Jess Horn model didn't have a hole>> I had a friend that had both the PE & SE C-27 models. The serration pattern on the C-27 is a very unusual pattern and I never seen it on any other Spyder. The C-27 was the most unusual Spyder ever made. Also I believe the handle scales on that knife was real sambar stag from what I'm told.Donut wrote:I was reading that about the hole-less models on Paul's website the other day.
I'm 99% sure there is a model with NO hole in the blade, but I can't remember what that model was.
There is a lot of interesting history to talk about in this thread.
From what I remember of the research I did (Searching here and Bladeforums) when I first got an ATS-55 Dyad, it was a collaboration between Hitatchi and Spyderco to make a cheaper variant of ATS-34 that worked as well for knives, while sacrificing some of the high speed/temperature characteristics of -34 that weren't needed in a knife blade. I don't think it was ever offered up to other companies to use.JD Spydo wrote:What is really initeresting about ATS-55 is that Spyderco as far as I know was the only American knife company to have used the steel commercially. I never even heard of any custom knifemakers using ATS-55 although I could name you a big bunch of big names that used it's predecessor ATS-34. I would really like to know the straight scoop about ATS-55 and how it came and went so fast.
I think you are absolutely right about that "yowzer" because I've never seen another ATS-55 blade made by any other company over the years. I would have to look at my old past issues of "Tactical Knives" magazines because they did a write up on it once in their section called the "Steel Bin". And From what I can remember they were the ony ones that ever did a review on it. I always had fairly good luck with ATS-55 myself and would still use a knife made with it and I still do use my original C-44 Dyad whenever I venture out in the woods. It seemed like a good steel for Spyderedges too.yowzer wrote:From what I remember of the research I did (Searching here and Bladeforums) when I first got an ATS-55 Dyad, it was a collaboration between Hitatchi and Spyderco to make a cheaper variant of ATS-34 that worked as well for knives, while sacrificing some of the high speed/temperature characteristics of -34 that weren't needed in a knife blade. I don't think it was ever offered up to other companies to use.
