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Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2010 1:13 pm
by sal
HotSoup wrote: . How I wish Spyderco had come up with the Tri-Ad lock, but, I'm sure they can TOP it.
Hi Hot Soup,
I think you're drinking too much Kool aid. We've broken Tri-Ad locks and they aren't any stronger than Compression, Ball bearing, lock-backs or Axis locks.
sal
Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2010 1:14 pm
by bada61265
id love to see a spyderco in a larger beefier blade size. something like the strider sng
Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2010 1:45 pm
by phillipsted
Nonprophet wrote:Let me weigh in, as for EDC I don't see most people carrying a larger folder when a Manix will do. Having said that when camping, hiking, or the like some people just plain prefer a folder and, realistically, even if a fixed blade does the same stuff with less complications the truth is the folder, while large, still takes up less space than a fixed blade of equal open length. ALso with a fixed blade you must carry a sheath and to put it somewhere else takes a little effort other than where it is being carried. With a folder, assuming it has a clip, you can hang it here, use it, hang it somewhere else, use it, and then find a reason to clip it somewhere else to hide it cause you're running into town all without having to adjust a sheath and no worries about cutting yourself if you lay it down cause you can fold it closed.
This just reminded me: Many Boy/Cub Scouts camps prohibit or discourage fixed blade knives. The reasoning is that if a Scout falls down, they could injure themselves if they land the wrong way on the sheath.
Personally, I've never seen this happen (nor would i want to!). But every time I accompany my son to camp, I take my Millie and my old Delica. They can do everything I need to do - and more.
To be honest, I can't think of too many tasks I would need to do (camping or otherwise) that I couldn't do with a small number of folding Spydies. If I had to pick three Spydies to cover every need I have, I could easily live with these:
- Millie
- Pacific Salt
- Dragonfly 2
I don't think I would ever need anything larger.
TedP
Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2010 2:21 pm
by HotSoup
sal wrote:Hi Hot Soup,
I think you're drinking too much Kool aid. We've broken Tri-Ad locks and they aren't any stronger than Compression, Ball bearing, lock-backs or Axis locks.
sal
Not drinking Kool-Aid, sir. Just my opinion from what I've seen.
Thats a bold claim, and I don't deny that you're telling the truth, but it would be the first time I've heard this.
I think Cold Steel and Mr. Demko would want to have a face-off...lol
Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2010 2:25 pm
by sal
HotSoup wrote:Not drinking Kool-Aid, sir. Just my opinion from what I've seen.
Thats a bold claim, and I don't deny that you're telling the truth, but it would be the first time I've heard this.
I think Cold Steel and Mr. Demko would want to have a face-off...lol
It's not our style to talk smack about other companies or to try to "prove" this or that. But you are making statements on a Spyderco forum that we have our own information about. We can tell you exactly how much force it takes to break something.
I am also not intersted in a "face off". We assume that our customers are intelligent enough to make their own decisons.
sal
Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2010 2:30 pm
by HotSoup
sal wrote: We can tell you exactly how much force it takes to break something.
Well I'd be interested in seeing those stats, as would most people I assume.
sal wrote:I am also not intersted in a "face off". We assume that our customers are intelligent enough to make their own decisons.
I don't think theres anything wrong with looking for proof. The face-off comment was in jest, though :D
Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2010 2:45 pm
by sal
HotSoup wrote: Well I'd be interested in seeing those stats, as would most people I assume.
Our research is for our own study. Sorry.
HotSoup wrote: I don't think theres anything wrong with looking for proof. The face-off comment was in jest, though :D
You mean like: "AUS-8 has better edge holding than CPM-S30V" or "1/4" thick Tanto blades will penetrate better than thin pointy blades".
You are entitled to yor opinion, and I respect your opinion. I just don't agree with you.
sal
Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2010 3:15 pm
by HotSoup
sal wrote:You mean like: "AUS-8 has better edge holding than CPM-S30V" or "1/4" thick Tanto blades will penetrate better than thin pointy blades".
sal
I don't believe I've ever made those statements....
I think we've had a misunderstanding here Sal.
As far as I knew, the Tri-Ad lock was very strong, though I knew the comp-lock, just from looking at its design would extremely strong as well.
I didn't intend my comment on the Tri-Ad lock as an attack on Spyderco, at all, but, I was met with 'Don;t drink the Kool-Aid' and then told, "Sorry, we cant show you our numbers, but we expect our customers to make the smart decision"
So yeah...
Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2010 3:41 pm
by Llano Jim
Spyderco should only make a very large folder if it can do something better than what exists now. I am a rancher and carry two knives, a cricket (just started) and a Millitary. They are practical and do almost anything I now need to do. I used to carry a Delica, but the Millie is better for what I need. Would a larger folder be an improvement of the millitary? If it is, then I would buy it, but if has to be convenient and usuable and better.
Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2010 3:53 pm
by xavierdoc
Several folk have posted that a large folder (which seems to mean bigger than 4" blade herein) represents too much mechanical compromise for little or no benefit over a fixed blade.
In the main, I'd agree; I carry a fixed blade when practical/legal and I need the size and strength. However, the oversize folder has now become my EDC when I'm walking the footpaths of my area, particularly in spring and summer.
The foliage grows over the styles and narrow paths so quickly that they can become impassable. In these circumstances, a folding "hacker" is ideal (in my case, Rajah) as a large folder invariably has a long handle which keeps knuckles clear of brambles and hawthorn, while providing reach and speed. A cleared path can easily be maintained with an quickly deployed, OHO giant folder.
A freshly cleared style:
A fixed blade of equivalent reach and length would be less discreet (the Rajah goes in a pocket) and probably require 2 hands to stow. Keep in mind that I'm not carrying a pack on these walks and in summer only light clothes. A lot of useful knife can be hidden in a large folder.
As for hard use, I've used mine for clearing paths, hedge-laying and coppicing for about 6 months. So far it remains solid.
As far as I know, the only mainstream company making such comic folders is CS. I'd love to see Spyderco do a bravado-free super-size folder.
Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2010 4:01 pm
by Handwrecker
nevermind
Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2010 4:01 pm
by harrydog
Nonprophet wrote:Let me weigh in, as for EDC I don't see most people carrying a larger folder when a Manix will do. Having said that when camping, hiking, or the like some people just plain prefer a folder and, realistically, even if a fixed blade does the same stuff with less complications the truth is the folder, while large, still takes up less space than a fixed blade of equal open length. ALso with a fixed blade you must carry a sheath and to put it somewhere else takes a little effort other than where it is being carried. With a folder, assuming it has a clip, you can hang it here, use it, hang it somewhere else, use it, and then find a reason to clip it somewhere else to hide it cause you're running into town all without having to adjust a sheath and no worries about cutting yourself if you lay it down cause you can fold it closed.
Now that all the practical reasons are out of the way, personally I would like to have one for EDC/SD reasons. While any sized knife works, a larger more robust knife has more potential and covers a lot of ground in the less trained hand. Now in Iowa there is a limit I elieve but in January we go to a "shall issue" carry law and I already have my application filled out. Once that's accepted I can carry any length of any type of knife I choose and I have been pondering where I would hang a fixed blade and still wear it comfortably concealed. A folder that was 5 inches closed would still fit in my pocket. That alone says I want one. If SPyderco makes one, I'm in, if not I'll almost surely buy one from another company.
I pretty much agree with everything said above.
I wouldn't use a really large folder for EDC but for camping, canoeing or backpacking it would be just the ticket.
I've used a Strider AR for those purposes and it enabled me to leave the fixed blade at home. I'd love to see Spyderco make something like that. There's definitely a market for big, overbuilt folders that use premium materials. Build it and they will come.
Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2010 4:06 pm
by stonyman
Ok guys a few minutes to spare. I keep hearing a reoccurring theme, if it is more than x then I will get a fix blade. That is factual under certain times. Many agencies do not allow the rank and file to carry fix blades. Well, that means certain folks are stuck with folders to get the job done.
In the eyes of many LEO's, a knife is a gateway tool......no more or no less. You respond to a "hot call" bail out immediately.......you dance with what you have on you.....the objective is solving the
problem NOW! Does not matter how it is
done........if I or one of my guys/gals destroys a
knife to save a life......well I am sure you or your
family will appreciate the sacrifice.
Sorry for the drift, but a tool under that vein would be appreciative.
I do not intentionally abuse knives, but as an agency trainer/ I see equipment get punished on it's tour of duty. Of course anything can break, but a bigger scaled folder would be wonderful!
I am in agreement with there is a point of diminishing return. I know for a fact that there is a need. I would love to see what Spyderco can cook up.
Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2010 4:08 pm
by chuck_roxas45
Seems that there are just too many people virulently opposed...
No matter, I will have to be content with my chinook 3.
Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2010 4:08 pm
by sal
HotSoup wrote: I don't believe I've ever made those statements....
I think we've had a misunderstanding here Sal.
Sorry Hot Soup, I was making refernce to your "looking for proof" comment.
HotSoup wrote: As far as I knew, the Tri-Ad lock was very strong, though I knew the comp-lock, just from looking at its design would extremely strong as well.
The Tri-Ad lock is very strong, and Cold Steel makes a respectable knife. But there are other strong locks as well.
HotSoup wrote: I didn't intend my comment on the Tri-Ad lock as an attack on Spyderco, at all, but, I was met with 'Don;t drink the Kool-Aid' and then told, "Sorry, we cant show you our numbers, but we expect our customers to make the smart decision"
So yeah...
Then I'll apologize. I took it as such. It sounded like you were implying, on a Spyderco forum, that if we had a Tri-Ad lock, then we could make a strong knife.
We have no problem making strong knives. The discussion here is whether or not we should make large knives. If it is determined that we should make large knives, then we can discuss strength vs light weight and high cutting performance vs unbreakable.
The most important part about a knife is that you have it with you when you need it.
sal
Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2010 4:24 pm
by xavierdoc
sal wrote:The most important part about a knife is that you have it with you when you need it.
sal
I think that's a key point with the extra-large folder issue. Certainly, I could take small golok, parang or large fixed-blade knife when I walk the dog through overgrown countryside, but it isn't going to happen.
Conversely, I think nothing of grabbing a jumbo folder off the microwave as I head out the door. I then have the right tool for the job.
If I had the choice, that tool would be a Spyderco. (I always have either UKPK, BobT, CF Stretch or Pacific Salt in a kydex neck sheath so I avoid being Spyder-less.)
Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2010 5:54 pm
by Brummie
catamount wrote:The Resilience has most of the ingredients I want in a large folder: G-10, FFG, great blade shape, relatively light weight, relatively slim, and easy to carry.
Upgraded blade steel is the main thing I want. I can live with the liner lock, but a compression, or possibly bolt action, lock would be great.
One thing I DON'T want is a thicker blade. IMO, 3 mm is durable enough, without sacrificing slicing ability.
The Military and Para are ground out of 4mm stock, and have about the same blade height as the Resilience. I don't think either of those sacrifice much slicing ability over the Resilience - they just feel more robust to me, and give me confidence that I can put more pressure on the blade.
00max00 - you did well stocking up on the BH Tacticals. I only just managed to get in on one before they disappeared. Could say more on the subject, but don't want to get off-topic.
Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2010 6:21 pm
by cckw
I own a Military and am very fond of it. larger then that in a folder is not of interest to me.
Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2010 6:57 pm
by Sequimite
Joe Talmadge wrote:That's a generalization that's definitely untrue. I have relatively small hands, love the way my Cuda Maxx feels in the hand. Yes, there's two inches of handle sticking out the back, but that doesn't negate the fact that the part my hand holds onto feels good.
I get it that you don't have a need for a large folder for your purposes. All your reasoning might work really well for you, but you can't apply it universally to the rest of us.
The "IMO" that starts my post stands for "In my opinion". You're entitled to yours as well.
Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2010 7:10 pm
by dbcad
Xavierdoc, I'm intrigued by that Rajah, could you post a larger picture of it at your convenience?? :)
Did enjoy seeing the green and a happy pup too.. :)