2009 Forum Native - Second Run

[spoonrobot]

I hope they realize that by and large most people were just fine with the whole thing and it appears to be just a few members being very vocal about the issue. For example, this is the second thread the poster has started about the forum knife.

I, for one, would just like to thank them for the opportunity and for giving the fan base an area where we can discuss ideas and lobby for what we'd like to see the company produce, even if it does get a little tiresome and ugly at times. :D

[jonUSA,EARTH]

I agree with the majority...Kristi gave us plenty of time and various ways to get one(on-line,Phone,Walk-in)...If you didn't get one then you must not of really wanted one because you had 8 hours and many means to acquire one.
They could make 1000 more and there would still be someone sayin"man they should of made 1001 :p
O.k. thats my .02, and now I would like to THANK Kristi, Sal and the whole Spyderco crew on making this happen, it was a very smooth process and the knife is Beautiful and very unique, I look forward to many more special knives like this in the future. :D :) :D


THANKS FOR CARING ABOUT US.

[araneae]

If there are people who wanted a forum knife and did not get one then there weren't enough. Some folks have real lives and jobs and such that preclude them from making knife purchases during the workday. Eight hours is a pretty small window of opportunity. For whatever reason this knife sold like crazy and I am glad that it went quickly for Spyderco. I empathize with those who didn't get one and would have no issues with more being made.

This is a special knife that Sal & Co. made for us. I could care less if the paper my knife came with says there were 300 and they make more. This knife will still be a special knife in my eyes. (Maybe change the pocket clip finish to make the uber picky folks here happy) All collector silliness aside, I see no reason to not make more, but they should be limited so the profiteers and speculators don't nab them all up.

Thanks Sal, Kristi and the rest of the crew for the work you did. I hope we aren't too big of a pain in your rear. Hopefully you realize that there are many of us that appreciate your effort, even if there have been some bumps in the road.

[Slick]

They do need to do a better job of this. A list you can add your name to in advance to secure your purchase, and a limit of one, or two to keep the opportunists from buying a bunch to re-sell.

The way this went down was very upsetting for me personally, and I am sure countless others who support the company.

Anyway from a 21 year customer...thanks for nothing.

If I hunt down one and gift it to you would you calm down? After 21 years you should be more in tune.

The Spyder crew is not psychic and things happen. If Sal knew he could sell 567 forum knives he would have made 568 etc...

No one meant to cut you out. If you are psychic and accurate I am sure Sal would like your input. If you are not psychic Sal would probably still want your input.

Please do not blame Spyderco.

[psimonl]

how dare you!!! re-releasing this knife would decrease the value of the forum knives that were bought for resale. how are the ebay dealers supposed to make a profit when you guys (forum members) keep requesting multiple runs for your own collection. (sarcasm)


i'm already over the forum knife. i would like to see a second run of that same knife, but without the etching.

Are you serious?.....

You buy knives upon the increasing value they are worth???


Wow...

Oh... Sorry.. Just saw the sarcasm smiley...!

Simon

[redyps04]

If I hunt down one and gift it to you would you calm down? After 21 years you should be more in tune.

The Spyder crew is not psychic and things happen. If Sal knew he could sell 567 forum knives he would have made 568 etc...

No one meant to cut you out. If you are psychic and accurate I am sure Sal would like your input. If you are not psychic Sal would probably still want your input.

Please do not blame Spyderco.

I think some of you guys are misunderstanding the point here. It may or may not have been an issue of whether Sal made enough or not. The real issue is that Spyderco could have made some kind of limit of one knife per forum member so that everybody could have gotten a more fair chance and everybody wouldn't have nabbed them up gifting them as presents to thier cousin, daughter, household pet, etc. Some of you out there can choose to have the attitude of "that's just tuff luck" and "that's the way the cookie crumbles", but it's just wrong no matter how you want to debate it.

[jonUSA,EARTH]

is this ever going to end :confused: :confused: :confused: shiny footprints and all that jazz :D :D

[The Deacon]

I think some of you guys are misunderstanding the point here. It may or may not have been an issue of whether Sal made enough or not. The real issue is that Spyderco could have made some kind of limit of one knife per forum member so that everybody could have gotten a more fair chance and everybody wouldn't have nabbed them up gifting them as presents to thier cousin, daughter, household pet, etc. Some of you out there can choose to have the attitude of "that's just tuff luck" and "that's the way the cookie crumbles", but it's just wrong no matter how you want to debate it.

Sound great on paper. But, please consider the following.

Placing a "one to a customer", or any other, limit on them would have added even more administrative overhead to a project that, to a very large extent, was being done as a favor to us. It would also have increased Spyderco's shipping costs, since each knife would have been a separate package. Either that, or they would have decided to charge for shipping which would have increased the cost. It would also have been somewhat counter-intuitive. Companies, after all, normally try to increase, not limit, sales.

But, human nature being what it is, setting a limit would, to a large extent, have been wasted effort. Those who wanted multiples for resale would have found ways around the limit. Those who wanted one to use as a gift, and those who wanted an extra to use, would have probably done so as well. There was plenty of time to get "friends and family" registered here, and I'm sure there would have been even easier ways to "game" any system Spyderco devised.

In the highly unlikely case that the limit was 100% effective, Spyderco would, in all probability, now be sitting on at least 50, probably more like 100, and possibly more than that, unsold. And, long after those were stripped of the forum markings and sold, at a loss, to dealers, someone would have shown up and expressed annoyance at not having been made aware of their release.

Now, on the other side. There was plenty of notice as to how many would be made, and that there would be no limit. Even those not personally interested in the USN Forum Endura, could have inferred from the way the first 300 of those sold that the Native would sell out rather quickly. We were given a week's notice as to when they'd be available, and the went on sale precisely on time. No matter how you slice it, everyone had the same shot.

[spoonrobot]

everybody wouldn't have nabbed them up gifting them as presents to thier cousin, daughter, household pet, etc.

No one outside of Spyderco actually knows how the knives were sold. We have a glimpse, with some users self reporting, of how many those users bought but that's all. Could we please stop with the self-serving assumptions?

[bh49]

Now, on the other side. There was plenty of notice as to how many would be made, and that there would be no limit. Even those not personally interested in the USN Forum Endura, could have inferred from the way the first 300 of those sold that the Native would sell out rather quickly. We were given a week's notice as to when they'd be available, and the went on sale precisely on time. No matter how you slice it, everyone had the same shot.

These are exactly my thoughts:
IMHO one week notice is sufficient.
Most Forum members were aware that USN Endura was sold out within hours, it was brought up several times in discussions.
I believe all depends how important Forum knife for the person. May be my knife addiction is too big, but in the past I had my friends to do bidding on e-bay for me, if I didn't have access to Internet at time of bidding. So, there is always solution, if you you really want to do something.
I am sorry, if I am too direct and harsh, but all these complains getting annoying.
Let's learn something and put this story to rest.
I am sorry if I hurt somebody's feelings.

[Jay_Ev]

It would also have increased Spyderco's shipping costs, since each knife would have been a separate package. Either that, or they would have decided to charge for shipping which would have increased the cost.

Not to split hairs here, but it appears the customer pays for shipping, not Spyderco. So, those who bought one knife (and no other items) would foot the bill in the hypothetical "1 knife limit" scenario. :D

[Blerv]

After reading the aftermath threads about the Forum Native I'm starting to really want one...

so I can fall on it and end the misery.

[The Deacon]

Not to split hairs here, but it appears the customer pays for shipping, not Spyderco. So, those who bought one knife (and no other items) would foot the bill in the hypothetical "1 knife limit" scenario. :D

Ok, looks like I was wrong on that, I only had my own order to go by. :o

[usmc1371]

First, Thanks to Spyderco for going to all the trouble to make this knife even happen.

I had a few chances at this knife but I am by no means a collector, I would like to have one for an EDC and the price was pretty sweet on the fourm run. I was amazed how fast these were going and thats a good thing for any future runs like this as the last thing Sal wants it to make a bunch of knives that we all say we wan't and then no one buys when they hit the market. I have to say that if you are one of the folks who got one or two good on you, if you missed out well that sucks and if you really have to have one you may have to pay some snake on e-bay a few extra bucks.

[jonUSA,EARTH]

After reading the aftermath threads about the Forum Native I'm starting to really want one...

so I can fall on it and end the misery.

+1!!!

Can this end please!!its been a week

[MaxStatic]

I will say this again, one last time, and then be done with this topic all together.

I simply do not understand where all the self entitlement comes from. I've been lurking here watching this project for over a year and still managed to be ready to go when the time came. Kristi told us all EXACTLY where, when and how to get one if we wanted. She told us how many would be available and anyone that has been paying attention should have known they would be a hit given the USN Endura.

For all of you that wish to make excuses as to why you were unable to get to the phone/internet etc. and somehow vindicate yourself by pushing blame in Spyderco's direction. Grow up! :rolleyes:

I can say in full confidence that I probably have one of the most demanding, time consuming, dangerous, and flat out challenging jobs of anyone on this forum. Add to that that my wife and I just brought home our first children, twins, that were born 2 months premature and require "special" attention in the form of O2 and monitoring equip a week prior to the forum knife going live. I still managed to figure a way to set aside the minute and a half required to place an order. Heck, I ended up placing a second order towards the end of the run and bought the second to the last one.

Some of you want to condemn me and others that bought more than one because you feel you are more entitled to it than me, or my wife, or whoever I choose to give the extra too? Maybe you should have to submit a resume of qualifications before being given the opportunity to own this knife? :rolleyes:

I'm not saying that to imply that I'm better than anyone or than anyone is better than me, simply stating that you all had your chance. If you didn't take it, or otherwise missed out, I'm sorry. I hope you find one someday or move on with your life. Whatever you do, stop complaining.

As I've also already stated in another thread, you find me a company that cares enough to do a project like this. I, along with many others, having been begging a certain other company to do this again for years and so far we have been met with the big goose egg.

With that, I've said my part. If you want to discount my words because I'm not old hat around here, go right ahead. At the end of the day, you know I'm right, if you missed out, it's your bad.


THANK YOU SAL KRISTI AND THE REST AT SPYDERCO FOR MAKING THIS KNIFE POSSIBLE!

[jonUSA,EARTH]

I will say this again, one last time, and then be done with this topic all together.

I simply do not understand where all the self entitlement comes from. I've been lurking here watching this project for over a year and still managed to be ready to go when the time came. Kristi told us all EXACTLY where, when and how to get one if we wanted. She told us how many would be available and anyone that has been paying attention should have known they would be a hit given the USN Endura.

For all of you that wish to make excuses as to why you were unable to get to the phone/internet etc. and somehow vindicate yourself by pushing blame in Spyderco's direction. Grow up! :rolleyes:

I can say in full confidence that I probably have one of the most demanding, time consuming, dangerous, and flat out challenging jobs of anyone on this forum. Add to that that my wife and I just brought home our first children, twins, that were born 2 months premature and require "special" attention in the form of O2 and monitoring equip a week prior to the forum knife going live. I still managed to figure a way to set aside the minute and a half required to place an order. Heck, I ended up placing a second order towards the end of the run and bought the second to the last one.

Some of you want to condemn me and others that bought more than one because you feel you are more entitled to it than me, or my wife, or whoever I choose to give the extra too? Maybe you should have to submit a resume of qualifications before being given the opportunity to own this knife? :rolleyes:

I'm not saying that to imply that I'm better than anyone or than anyone is better than me, simply stating that you all had your chance. If you didn't take it, or otherwise missed out, I'm sorry. I hope you find one someday or move on with your life. Whatever you do, stop complaining.

As I've also already stated in another thread, you find me a company that cares enough to do a project like this. I, along with many others, having been begging a certain other company to do this again for years and so far we have been met with the big goose egg.

With that, I've said my part. If you want to discount my words because I'm not old hat around here, go right ahead. At the end of the day, you know I'm right, if you missed out, it's your bad.


THANK YOU SAL KRISTI AND THE REST AT SPYDERCO FOR MAKING THIS KNIFE POSSIBLE!

'nuff said :) :).....lets end this, theres gonna be plenty of special knives in the future!!

[DrBlade]

Should they make a second run? Not my call. The people that got one for sure don't want a second run they are the ones the bought it for the $value doing a second run would devalue the first run. Buying a knife for the $value is fine but the knife would make a sweet edc. For the people who really want one quit crying just go pay the going rate and buy one on ebay.

[JimP]

'nuff said :) :).....lets end this, theres gonna be plenty of special knives in the future!!

Hey Mate, you are one of the main contributers to this thread, it's simple, don't look or contribute and this thread will go away, but surely it's not your call?

For the most part, this is a group of people enjoying a discussion, don't make more out of it than it is, it's a forum!

I for one am enjoying some of the common sense and intelligence shown by our small community. Thanks guy's. :)

[catamount]

I got one (should be here today), and I'm all for :spyder: doing another run.

I'm proud to be a member of this forum, and to be associated with such a fine group of people. I'd like to see every member who wants a forum knife get one. I think limiting future runs to 1 per customer (at least for the first week) is a good idea. I don't believe doing so would involve much extra time and effort on :spyder: 's part. I know some will find ways to get around the limit, but it will help make things fairer for everyone.