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JNewell · #421

FCM415 wrote:To me its about BBS, everything I take issue regarding this directly stems from them. Anything else including Nikon cameras and starting back to plants because everything is wrong with the world and not just BBS is for another conversation and is not my concern on this thread.

Those who tout free market, youre speaking to the choir. We are also free to rally for a cause and Ill make a stink about it in hopes that something gets done.

Sounds like a Jihad to me, no?

FCM415 · #422

JNewell wrote:Sounds like a Jihad to me, no?

Yeah sure whatever you say. Jihad death to infidels. You like that?

chuck_roxas45 · #423

JNewell wrote:So, your suggestion is...what, that we boycott Spyderco? :confused:

Can't we just whine about it the way we're doing?

Evil D · #424

You guys are really taking this subject way too far.

Don't agree with BBS's business ethics? Don't buy from them. If you really feel concerned, take your concerns to Spyderco directly, but I doubt it will get you anywhere.

Think people are stupid for doing business with them? That's your opinion, and you're entitled to it, but forcing your opinion down peoples' throats will not change anything and only gets threads locked. If you really think this thread has any chance of making Spyderco see the light and stop dealing with BBS because of their business ethics, then stop fighting and start being political and state the facts and stop poking at each other.

JNewell · #425

FCM415 wrote:Yeah sure whatever you say. Jihad death to infidels. You like that?

It was your call.

JNewell · #426

chuck_roxas45 wrote:can't we just whine about it the way we're doing?

:)

Jay_Ev · #427

chuck_roxas45 wrote:Nope, you're just being obtuse about it. You are actually defending the right of BBS to be shady in the guise of saying customers should have rights. You think the guy who paid $400 wouldn't be happier paying $200?

Wait, you'd probably say that nobody can guess what he thinks... :p

BBS is actually being kinda shady and unethical. You might just as well say that there's nothing we can do about it because that's true. But you really are grasping at straws with your argument about "customers' rights". :rolleyes:

Grasping at straws? If anything, the allegations and accusations that BBS is "removing stock to sell on ebay at a higher price or hold for a later date to sell part of your current stock" or that they are "shill bidding" is grasping at straws. There has been zero proof that they are doing this. None. All we have thus far are forum members who are angrily stomping their feet like a child because they don't like what they see and they aren't getting their way (S90V at a Tenacious price). This is why I continue to maintain that I have not seen anything shady thus far.

You want to call me obtuse, fine. I can accept that. I will just say that I have done nothing but defend, play devil's advocate and offer an 'other side of the coin' viewpoint to the unproven, unfounded and baseless accusations being hurled at BBS.

FCM415 · #428

JNewell wrote:It was your call.

Putting words in my mouth? No thanks.

Jay_Ev · #429

akaAK wrote:Also when you disparage a company on this forum it doesn't fit in with Sal's shiny footprints policy. Nice when you enter someones house and go to the bathroom in the kitchen.

This.
+1

Philo Beddoe · #430

Jay_Ev wrote:Grasping at straws? If anything, the allegations and accusations that BBS is "removing stock to sell on ebay at a higher price or hold for a later date to sell part of your current stock" or that they are "shill bidding" is grasping at straws. There has been zero proof that they are doing this. None.

Then again you have zero proof that they aren't doing any of those things. None.

Philo Beddoe · #431

Its not just BBS..heres a dealer over BF's doing the same thing but they are charging $25 over MSRP on a ZT LE: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showt ... ave-4-left

FCM415 · #432

So to recap, some think that it's ok for BBS as a official dealer to peddle their exclusives on Ebay as an auction lined alongside secondary market flippers at prices going beyond $400.The most recent of BBS' actions that others including myself feel is underhanded.

This is a forum and those defending BBS is just as guilty as it takes two to tango in a discussion. If BBS proponesnts weren't there, there wouldn't me any back in forth, and what would remain would only be facts about BBS.

Discussing a company/dealer as a topic is not against forum rules. Does it have to be positive all the time? Heck, I have nothing but positive things to say about practically any other dealer out there including Amazon as a Spyderco seller in my experience. As far as Sal's no footprints policy, it's easy to throw that around isn't it? WE ARE GIVING OUR FEEDBACK ABOUT THE SITUATION, SHARING OUR THOUGHTS. People who approve BBS' actions and attempt to turn it into a us against them have a hand in this also. My concern is BBS and their business practices and not name calling so take that and digest it.

Jay_Ev · #433

Philo Beddoe wrote:Then again you have zero proof that they aren't doing any of those things. None.

It doesn't matter. In (almost) all instances, the burden of proof lies with the party making the assertion, whatever that assertion is.

chuck_roxas45 · #434

Jay_Ev wrote:It doesn't matter. In (almost) all instances, the burden of proof lies with the party making the assertion, whatever that assertion is.

Are we in a court of law? In circumstances like this, perception is everything.

Popsickle · #435

Blaming Spyderco for this is rediculous! Some of you have gone too far

FCM415 · #436

Popsickle wrote:Blaming Spyderco for this is rediculous! Some of you have gone too far

I think it was one guy and I agree.

RadioactiveSpyder · #437

Someone's going to need some serious S90V steel to cut through the BS that's beginning to balloon this thread out of control.

RadioactiveSpyder · #438

No digs against Brian at Country Knives either, he is top-notch! Don't like his prices, go somewhere else and find some of the uber-rare things he has (it's always the one or two things that one needs to complete the family), good luck! For someone new to collecting these wonderful things, he's been a great help and compared to prices of questionable history similar items on the 'bay, one can buy with full confidence with his outfit. In fact, if there's one knife shop I'd like to visit, I'd say it would be his to see if he'd let me ogle his great stock for a bit (a little bit o' Golden in PA!).

Philo Beddoe · #439

RadioactiveSpyder wrote:No digs against Brian at Country Knives either, he is top-notch! Don't like his prices, go somewhere else and find some of the uber-rare things he has (it's always the one or two things that one needs to complete the family), good luck! For someone new to collecting these wonderful things, he's been a great help and compared to prices of questionable history similar items on the 'bay, one can buy with full confidence with his outfit. In fact, if there's one knife shop I'd like to visit, I'd say it would be his to see if he'd let me ogle his great stock for a bit (a little bit o' Golden in PA!).

Calling a price gouging place like Country Knives "top notch" and also saying "and compared to prices of questionable history similar items on the 'bay, one can buy with full confidence with his outfit"..well seems like you are doing some "ballooning" yourself..

RadioactiveSpyder · #440

Philo Beddoe wrote:Calling a price gouging place like Country Knives "top notch" and also saying "and compared to prices of questionable history similar items on the 'bay, one can buy with full confidence with his outfit"..well seems like you are doing some "ballooning' yourself..

Just reporting my own experience with him, you can read into it whatever you want. I trust him much more than most of the sellers on the 'bay. Many of his prices I wouldn't consider "gouging" either. That's my two cents, delivered in this free forum in this free country, so feel free to flog me now for two pages, as is your right too...