David Lowry wrote:I think it sucks. Just not enough cutting edge. No need for a handle that large AND a choil. The cutting edge is 2.8".
We all have our own preferences :) The term "sucks" seems a bit impresice. So many qualities about the SL , great feel in hand, nice broad and rigid 4mm thick blade, exemplary workmanship, VG-10, super smooth action and compression lock serve to help many to appreciate this model.
Respectfully, the term "sucks" doesn't seem to apply
Charlie
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Agreed David. Tanks do NEED choils, but it can work i.e. Millie. But when you take a large knife that could compete with Emerson, ZT for hard use and put a choil that compromises the edge to 2.8" it ruins the design. The power part of the belly is in the choil and the leverage is off. If a sprint is done years from now I would love it with no choil. I LOVE so much about the knife...wire clip, 4mm VG10, FFG, awesome ergos, comp lock. Choil was the reason I sent mine packing. Show a picture next to a Caly 3.5 if you want to see edge envy!
Oh, and the choiless sprint could be the natural G10 like the Leafstorm and I would be tickled!
I prefer edge to choil any day. That said, if you want a robust full-handled knife with a generous choil I don't know of a better knife.
My Superhawk is comfortable in either a choked-up or traditional saber/hammer grip. I couldn't get behind the styling of the Leaf but expect it sold better than the Hawkbill variant.
Blerv wrote:I prefer edge to choil any day. That said, if you want a robust full-handled knife with a generous choil I don't know of a better knife.
My Superhawk is comfortable in either a choked-up or traditional saber/hammer grip. I couldn't get behind the styling of the Leaf but expect it sold better than the Hawkbill variant.
I'm with you again this time Blerv. :D
I do feel that the choil over edge length works on the superhawk since I do mostly draw cuts with it. If I could have a choil-less superleaf, it would probably suplant the para in my pocket. Well, except for the boutique steels...hehehe...
I like a choil because it moves the grip closer to the edge. Not all knives need a choil, like the Yojimbo 2 or Vallotton for example, but some knives have handles that (for me) just put the grip too far back from the edge. I think the Superleaf could have been just fine without the choil. It isn't a true 50/50, the choil is made up more of blade than handle, and there's enough room in the handle for a full grip behind the choil, and there's a significant index choil/guard behind the blade choil to prevent slipping into the edge. The edge could extend almost all the way back and give a lot more edge. The problem though, is the compression lock. That area where the blade choil is, is right where the lock/stop pin is, and you need something there to contact the stop pin to act as a blade stop when closing the knife, and if you had an edge extending all the way back to the G10, there wouldn't be anything to hit the stop pin and stop the edge from over closing.
Evil D wrote:I like a choil because it moves the grip closer to the edge. Not all knives need a choil, like the Yojimbo 2 or Vallotton for example, but some knives have handles that (for me) just put the grip too far back from the edge. I think the Superleaf could have been just fine without the choil. It isn't a true 50/50, the choil is made up more of blade than handle, and there's enough room in the handle for a full grip behind the choil, and there's a significant index choil/guard behind the blade choil to prevent slipping into the edge. The edge could extend almost all the way back and give a lot more edge. The problem though, is the compression lock. That area where the blade choil is, is right where the lock/stop pin is, and you need something there to contact the stop pin to act as a blade stop when closing the knife, and if you had an edge extending all the way back to the G10, there wouldn't be anything to hit the stop pin and stop the edge from over closing.
chuck_roxas45 wrote:I'm with you again this time Blerv. :D
I do feel that the choil over edge length works on the superhawk since I do mostly draw cuts with it. If I could have a choil-less superleaf, it would probably suplant the para in my pocket. Well, except for the boutique steels...hehehe...
Yea the Hawk was just too weird to miss out on. I'm not always picky :D
I don't own one but my bro had a Chinook 2. Personally, that's a dream handle. It would be my pick if building a Superleaf from imagination.
Chuck, I have to disagree. The choil itself is currently the kick. To extend the edge all the way requires a flipper tang extension as blade stop when closed, similar to Enlan EL01 (closest I can think of). Try rotating line around the pivot from stop pin to blade.
anagarika wrote:Chuck, I have to disagree. The choil itself is currently the kick. To extend the edge all the way requires a flipper tang extension as blade stop when closed, similar to Enlan EL01 (closest I can think of). Try rotating line around the pivot from stop pin to blade.
I guess you are right Chris, I was just pulling ideas out of the air. :)
bh49 wrote:Thank you for review. I like Superleaf, but probably not enough to pull the trigger. Still thinking sometimes if I should get one for "collection". 4mm thick blade is too thick for my needs.
Hi, Roman.
Give the SuperLeaf a try -- you might even like it as much as your Natives. :D
Here's some of what I posted in another forum:
I replaced my Striders with the SuperLeaf. Love the Strider-like look of the blade. Now, when I want to scratch my Strider itch, I have a folder with a worry-free lock.
Just imagine if the SuperLeaf had the same top drawer f&f as the GB -- now that would be some serious competition.
I cant find one flaw in FandF with my Superleaf. Dont see how the GB could be better unless you mean a grind mark hear or there? But I cant find that either except the inside of the Spydie hole. I wish they would clean that area up . Other than that liners are polished,G10 mates up perfectly with liners,blade grind perfect etc etc.
I still dont get why so many dislike the choil . an edge below 3" also helps with ludicrous knife laws doesnt it? That Superleaf blade cuts like a lazer but to each his own.
Knifeaddict wrote:I cant find one flaw in FandF with my Superleaf. Dont see how the GB could be better unless you mean a grind mark hear or there? But I cant find that either except the inside of the Spydie hole. I wish they would clean that area up . Other than that liners are polished,G10 mates up perfectly with liners,blade grind perfect etc etc.
Not knocking the SL, one of my favorite Spydies.
My point was about the GB, which many consider has one of the highest levels of f&f you can find in a production knife.
Philo Beddoe wrote:It was discontinued because the Manix 2 XL does the same thing.
same thing?...better steel, equal lock, way suckier ergos though. The M2 XL is a big *** knife with a bad clip in a bad position that sticks out too far. superleaf is way better edc candidate.
Philo Beddoe wrote:It was discontinued because the Manix 2 XL does the same thing.
It was discontinued because it was discontinued, due to sales.
They aren't the same at all. 4mm thick, different handle treatment, wire clip, different lock, different (not "worse" steel). If you discount those factors basically the Endura is a Police or a Military or...
twinboysdad wrote:same thing?...better steel, equal lock, way suckier ergos though. The M2 XL is a big *** knife with a bad clip in a bad position that sticks out too far. superleaf is way better edc candidate.
Where did I say they are the same thing? I said they DO the same thing. Big difference. Your " M2 XL is a big *** knife, way suckier ergos, bad clip in a bad position that sticks out to far, superleaf is a way better edc candidate" is all a matter of opinion and is someone elses perfect ergos, perfect clip position and perfect size.
The fact one is still in production and ones not says more than anything.
Philo Beddoe wrote:It was discontinued because the Manix 2 XL does the same thing.
Philo Beddoe wrote:Where did I say they are the same thing? I said they DO the same thing. Big difference.
For the sake of clarity, could you explain what you mean by this? :confused: I too inferred from the first post that you meant that they (the Superleaf and Manix 2 XL) were almost the same knife, and therefore the overlap in design parameters made one or the other superfluous (which I actually agree with, but would say the regular Manix 2 with its similar size is the reason the Superleaf got discontinued).
But if you actually mean what you say in this second post, that they DO the same thing, then literally all they DO is separate matter (i.e. cut things). Following that logic, the still being produced ladybug or Schempp Rock could also be the reason the Superleaf was discontinued, as they also do the same thing.
