Ladybug Hawkbill

Netsquash · #41

Lord vader wrote:No i havent a chance to sit down at my drafting table yet. But i will soon. I need some advice on how to post pictures on these threads too.

Just get Photobucket, it's free. You can upload your photos there and then just use the image button in the message toolbar to post the URL of the Photobucket image.

startat2 · #42

BHDKnifer wrote:Many people thought it was a great idea, but the purple and yellow bugs came out instead. There very cool but we need a hawkbill and sheepsfoot to complete the web of bugs. May take some re-tooling but I think they would be a very cool addition to the ladybug lineup. I have 18 in the web now :D

I thought they already made a sheepsfoot. Wasn't it the lady bug II?? :confused:

Lord vader · #43

Netsquash wrote:Just get Photobucket, it's free. You can upload your photos there and then just use the image button in the message toolbar to post the URL of the Photobucket image.

I will try that once my draft is complete,Thanks for that info. :)

elpidi0526 · #44

Just saw this thread for the first time this morning. A Ladybug Hawkbill? Hmmm...that would be awesome. (Why have I never considered that before?) Like so many of you, I carry a ladybug on my keychain--and a hawkbill blade (esp. with a spydie edge) would be an awesome extraction tool for seatbelts, etc. if (God forbid) I ever got in a horrible car wreck and had to get away quickly. And with my wife constantly being with me in the car, I'd feel better knowing I always had a convenient, readily accessible LadyHawk (w/ a SpyderEdge) on the keys ready to go...just in case. Awesome suggestion vader! :)

Sal, how 'bout it?

Lord vader · #45

elpidi0526 wrote:Just saw this thread for the first time this morning. A Ladybug Hawkbill? Hmmm...that would be awesome. (Why have I never considered that before?) Like so many of you, I carry a ladybug on my keychain--and a hawkbill blade (esp. with a spydie edge) would be an awesome extraction tool for seatbelts, etc. if (God forbid) I ever got in a horrible car wreck and had to get away quickly. And with my wife constantly being with me in the car, I'd feel better knowing I always had a convenient, readily accessible LadyHawk (w/ a SpyderEdge) on the keys ready to go...just in case. Awesome suggestion vader! :)

Sal, how 'bout it?

Thats another good reason to have one,You never no when a situation like that will arise.

#46

The problem that we encounter with these "unique" blade shapes is that we have to make a large number to justify tooling. Sales after the initial small group demand slow down and then we holding inventory on a slow moving item.

The Ladybug II seemed like a good idea at the time, but it took us years to deplete the inventory.

Hawkbills are not a popular blade shape because they have use limitations due to the shape. They have some advantages, but only for some jobs.

Most of the hawkbill models that we have built, generally at the request of forumites, have not been successful business wise.

The Tasman is an exception, but we have some customers with specific needs the Tasman serves.

Our maker has indicated that he would make smaller batches because of these hard times. We'll discuss the possibility of a Ladybug hawk.

sal

Lord vader · #47

sal wrote:The problem that we encounter with these "unique" blade shapes is that we have to make a large number to justify tooling. Sales after the initial small group demand slow down and then we holding inventory on a slow moving item.

The Ladybug II seemed like a good idea at the time, but it took us years to deplete the inventory.

Hawkbills are not a popular blade shape because they have use limitations due to the shape. They have some advantages, but only for some jobs.

Most of the hawkbill models that we have built, generally at the request of forumites, have not been successful business wise.

The Tasman is an exception, but we have some customers with specific needs the Tasman serves.

Our maker has indicated that he would make smaller batches because of these hard times. We'll discuss the possibility of a Ladybug hawk.

sal

Thank you Sal.
The design i had in mind is really an exact duplicate of the tasman hawkbill blade design and the same handle used on the ladybug,it would look just like the tasman but in minature.

elpidi0526 · #48

sal wrote:Our maker has indicated that he would make smaller batches because of these hard times. We'll discuss the possibility of a Ladybug hawk.

sal

[Fingers crossed]

I know others, including vader have mentioned the H-1 (and that's fine), but I'd be content with cheaper materials for the knife. The current VG-10 Steel is fine by me (Just give me a SpyderEdge :D ). And so is the FRN handle.

LOL. And so I personally pledge to buy AT LEAST 20 of them (they'll make great gifts), in various colors, and to tell all my friends about them...(especially my survival buddies, you know the the kind of guys that have to have all the contingency items for that "rainy day" scenario).

Hey, thanks for the consideration Sal. You're an awesome guy. And once again vader, great idea. :o

Lord vader · #49

elpidi0526 wrote:[Fingers crossed]

I know others, including vader have mentioned the H-1 (and that's fine), but I'd be content with cheaper materials for the knife. The current VG-10 Steel is fine by me (Just give me a SpyderEdge :D ). And so is the FRN handle.

LOL. And so I personally pledge to buy AT LEAST 20 of them (they'll make great gifts), in various colors, and to tell all my friends about them...(especially my survival buddies, you know the the kind of guys that have to have all the contingency items for that "rainy day" scenario).

Hey, thanks for the consideration Sal. You're an awesome guy. And once again vader, great idea. :o

I would settle for the FRN Vg-10 steel version if thats all we can get. :)

BHDKnifer · #50

startat2 wrote:I thought they already made a sheepsfoot. Wasn't it the lady bug II?? :confused:

Ya bro but we need a new one the size of the ladybug 3

BHDKnifer · #51

sal wrote:The problem that we encounter with these "unique" blade shapes is that we have to make a large number to justify tooling. Sales after the initial small group demand slow down and then we holding inventory on a slow moving item.

The Ladybug II seemed like a good idea at the time, but it took us years to deplete the inventory.

Hawkbills are not a popular blade shape because they have use limitations due to the shape. They have some advantages, but only for some jobs.

Most of the hawkbill models that we have built, generally at the request of forumites, have not been successful business wise.

The Tasman is an exception, but we have some customers with specific needs the Tasman serves.

Our maker has indicated that he would make smaller batches because of these hard times. We'll discuss the possibility of a Ladybug hawk.

sal

Thank you! :D In these tough times affordability is the big issue. H1 & zdp may price it higher than most can afford. For the first one black VG-10 may be a way to keep the cost down.

Netsquash · #52

Thanks Sal for taking a look at this. I would take almost any steel I could get. H1 would be nice but I would take VG-10 just to have it. I see nothing wrong with VG-10, all my EDCs are VG-10

I also like Lord Vaders shrunken Tasman idea, but a bottom finger coil would be very cool for a smaller blade to allow a better grip. (Don't forget the jimping :D )

I would settle for FRN, I have never owned an FRN blade before but I would give it a shot so long as it had steel liners. My dream would be full stainless steel though and I would much rather see that and spend $15 more for it.

I can see the "Ladyhawk" as a nice little rope cutting EDC. Something that would rival my Dragonfly for pocket space. I don't cut much rope but I would find rope if I got a Ladyhawk.

I am excited, I have my fingers crossed!

duff72 · #53

Please-that is all i can say

Netsquash · #54

Just thought this tread needed to move up a little. What do you think Lord vader? We can't let people forget about this one.

Lord vader · #55

Netsquash wrote:Just thought this tread needed to move up a little. What do you think Lord vader? We can't let people forget about this one.

No we cant let this slip through the cracks, I think sal gave us a positive sign of hope,Yeah i definitely see the a good possibility on this taking off,Fingers crossed. :)

Netsquash · #56

HAHA, I knew you would see this post and reply right away. Too bad I didn't have more to say.

I've been sketching out fantasy Spydercos lately. They are all basically modified Dragonflys, and all in Stainless steel. Too bad I don't have a scanner or I would post them. I will start drawing a fantasy Hawkbill ladybug sized knife tonight. I can't really call it a ladybug because the desigin of my fantasy would have a bottom finger choil where the blade meets the handle. Something the ladybug doesn't have. The size would be the same, but the finger choil will be there, with plenty of jimping. HAHA

Lord vader · #57

Netsquash wrote:HAHA, I knew you would see this post and reply right away. Too bad I didn't have more to say.

I've been sketching out fantasy Spydercos lately. They are all basically modified Dragonflys, and all in Stainless steel. Too bad I don't have a scanner or I would post them. I will start drawing a fantasy Hawkbill ladybug sized knife tonight. I can't really call it a ladybug because the desigin of my fantasy would have a bottom finger choil where the blade meets the handle. Something the ladybug doesn't have. The size would be the same, but the finger choil will be there, with plenty of jimping. HAHA

Jimping on the choil is a must. I dont think it would work to well on a ladyhawk though. Well i will have to wait and see what you come up with on your design.

Netsquash · #58

Lord vader wrote:Jimping on the choil is a must. I dont think it would work to well on a ladyhawk though. Well i will have to wait and see what you come up with on your design.

I have never actually owned a hawkbill yet so I am curious why you think the bottom choil wouldn't work? I became attached to it on my Dragonfly and my Police3 and now I think most folder should have it. I wish my SS Endura 4 had it. I find the area between the knife and the blade is a dead zone in design. My fingers always want to move up to that area for finer cutting but it's just not there. With the SS especially I find my hand likes to move upwards, a nice little notch for the finger would be nice.

I could settle for a ladyhawk that has a handle like the Superhawk, just shrunken down for a two finger grip with both the back and front finger locks (not sure what they are actually called) and have the blade run seamlessly into the handle. The only problem with that is it would have to be a liner lock because the ricasso would not be there to prevent a finger cut with the way most people close a lockback.

If it was a lockback it would be nice to have a handle similar to the Superhawk with the bottom finger choil which would allow for the normal closing method of most lockbacks.

These designs seem to be drifting away from the ladybug so maybe it could be a SuperLadyhawk haha.

Netsquash · #59

Thinking about the ricasso area of the Endura, Delica, and Ladybug. I can understand that particular design would be effective for stopping foreign object from sliding along the blade and impacting the users fingers because of the way the ricasso slopes back. A good design for knife fighting, but I don't knife fight all that much anymore (in the end, there can be only one.) :p

Lord vader · #60

Netsquash wrote:I have never actually owned a hawkbill yet so I am curious why you think the bottom choil wouldn't work? I became attached to it on my Dragonfly and my Police3 and now I think most folder should have it. I wish my SS Endura 4 had it. I find the area between the knife and the blade is a dead zone in design. My fingers always want to move up to that area for finer cutting but it's just not there. With the SS especially I find my hand likes to move upwards, a nice little notch for the finger would be nice.

I could settle for a ladyhawk that has a handle like the Superhawk, just shrunken down for a two finger grip with both the back and front finger locks (not sure what they are actually called) and have the blade run seamlessly into the handle. The only problem with that is it would have to be a liner lock because the ricasso would not be there to prevent a finger cut with the way most people close a lockback.

If it was a lockback it would be nice to have a handle similar to the Superhawk with the bottom finger choil which would allow for the normal closing method of most lockbacks.

These designs seem to be drifting away from the ladybug so maybe it could be a SuperLadyhawk haha.

The reason i say that a finger choil wont work is because the current handle design of the ladybug will not accomodate a finger choil,the whole handle would have to be redesigned and that would defeat the purpose of the ladybug hawk.I would not want it to turn into a minature superhawk.Dont get me wrong i love the superhawk,but thats a discussion for another thread.HMMMMMMM great idea a Minature superhawk.